27-11-2000 01:19									#1
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I started a small/diety/raging/7 civ game to try the no cities record. I found 2 civs, both at the same time, and I conquered them. Then, I saw the guillotine. Only those two civs were listed. I am sure I chose 7 civs Well, now I have the record for diety . I'll send anyone the saves if they request them. Incidentally, the 2 civs were white and green. (Celts and Babylonians.) Does anyone know about this glitch?

	27-11-2000 02:18									#2
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It has been reported in the past that if the computer can't find suitable starting locations for all civs you will get less civs. But I don't think I've ever heard of getting only three when you asked for seven. Are you sure no civs were killed by other civs or barbs?

	27-11-2000 02:18									#3
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Strange indeed !
First of all, two questions.
1) what version of civ do you play
2) did you choose the no-restart option.

As for your record, I have already conquered the world by 4000 BC at Deity/raging hordes. It was when I created gigamaps with not enough land masses for starting locations. I was playing MGE. The game started, I read the message saying I was leader of my tribe, pressed enter and went straight to the conquest of the world ending !
Unbeatable record, but not one that required any playing skills !

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	29-11-2000 02:20									#4
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2.42 diety
yes, chose don't restart

No civs were killed by barbs. The land mass was 60% hills and mountains, so I am pretty sure Paul is right.

BTW JB, I have won in 4000 too. I was trying to play a game by myself for testing purposes, so I put the ai on desert islands so I could test something (which is better? Pyramid or GL?) I got the guillotine because the ai disbanded their units or something.

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	29-11-2000 03:27									#5
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What size map? Paul's idea wouldn't make that much sense on a large map. If it was a large map I would be more baffled then I am now. Maybe you accidentally pressed random.

Whoa!!! I just re-read SD's post and they were the green and white civs that got land to start. That sort of confirms that the upper civ's get better starting location.

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	29-11-2000 15:52									#6
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I've won several times on diety/3 in Civ 1 and 2 before 3500-3800 so naaa

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	30-11-2000 04:19									#7
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jcarckey, read my 1st post. There weren't any decent starts IMO on the map. Thats why I played No-City Challenge. CM, How did you win on diety in Civ1?