02-08-2001 23:40									#1
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I've been reading Gastrifitis' excellent work on settlers & engineers (http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...97&pagenumber=1), one thing I'm not sure on.

If you suspect a special is on a mountain square, what do you do?

	03-08-2001 00:31									#2
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I always thought specials are only hidden for grassland. To reveal it, you must mine or transform the grassland

	03-08-2001 00:52									#3
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A mountain special would be there allready.Or any other non grass tile.Yes,only grass.Anything else is a waste.

	03-08-2001 02:50									#4
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Guess my wifes right about my map-reading.

	03-08-2001 04:06									#5
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quote: Originally posted by cpemma If you suspect a special is on a mountain square, what do you do?

Nothing to suspect:
either you see it (yellow=gold, red=iron)
or there is no special on that mountain

(rah, discovering a gold mountain)

	05-08-2001 02:03									#6
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And is it only grassland with a shield that could be a special?

	05-08-2001 03:42									#7
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Hidden specials are possible from ordinary grassland tiles as well.

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	06-08-2001 16:42									#8
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Really??? Have you confirmed this???

I have never ever seen a non-shield grassland hide a special square. Or rather I should say that the grassland square that is hiding a special resource has always (and I really mean always) been a shield-grassland square. I just thought this was part of the game...

	06-08-2001 17:35									#9
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Yes sir ree LF,

(rah, discovering a gold mountain)

Nothing sweeter than seeing gold on the opening screen, with a rivered grassland next to it and a few forests. Monarchy by 3250, here we come.

RAH
Assuming 2x1x of course.

	06-08-2001 18:20									#10
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quote: Originally posted by fittstim ... Or rather I should say that the grassland square that is hiding a special resource has always (and I really mean always) been a shield-grassland square.

I side with SG on this one. Just last nite I played a short while, and I converted (IIRC) a shieldless grassland tile to a silk. I wouldn't bet my life on it, but I'm certain it was without shield.

Sounds like something that needs to be tested today to verify!

	06-08-2001 18:54									#11
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I also converted a nonshield grass square to a pheasant this weekend. It was on a peninsula (so no pattern clues), and I was going for forest. While not displeased, it was a surprise. I am certain it was a non-shield grassland.

	06-08-2001 22:22									#12
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Shields follow a different pattern (for a row of tiles from lowerleft to upperright: 2 with shield, 2 without, 2 with, 2 without, ..., and switch with/without shield for neighboring rows) and are independent from special patterns. Hence it is quite possible that a special can be hidden under an un-shielded grass.

	06-08-2001 22:47									#13
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... and I confirm it for the third time. I have had to change many shieldless grassland tiles into other terrains for scenario design purposes.

	07-08-2001 20:45									#14
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ahem, the shield pattern for grasslands is totally independant from the special resource pattern. that is why there's nothing speaking against a non-shield grassland hiding a special resource... no, I can't prove it , it's just the way it is

	09-08-2001 18:23									#15
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Well lo' and behold, the next time I played CivII, I "found" a special resource under a non-shield grassland square. So I can now assuredly say that there is no connection between the two.

I didn't know there actually was a shield pattern for the grassland squares. It looks so random...

	09-08-2001 22:46									#16
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that's the one

just start the map editor and create a big area of only grassland... you'll recognize it at once... it does look random though, only found out after Provost Harrison told me abvout it half a year ago

after playing it for 5 years that is