02-12-2000 11:22									#1
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Hello. I've seen some people talking about how Warriors code is a bad thing. Uhm.

Why? Warriors Code lets you build archers, which are good all the way up until Gunpowder as a defensive unit, and up to Knight as an Offensive unit.

So, why's Warrior code bad?

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	02-12-2000 11:24									#2
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	02-12-2000 15:27									#3
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Warrior Code is also a stepping stone to Feudalism, pikemen and Sun Tzu. In itself, it's not bad. People usually complain about it when they get it out of a hut before Monarchy, delaying the progress to Monarchy.

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	02-12-2000 21:33									#4
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It is a matter of timing. Every tech you recieve slows down your tech progress, sometimes dramatically. Any tech you get before Monarchy can double the time it takes to get that vital technology. The extra turns in despotism can hurt your civ a lot.

If it is important to get to some tech ASAP, any tech not on that tech path will slow the progress and hurt you, even if it is a good tech you might need later.

	03-12-2000 04:04									#7
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yes, I'm also looking for a proof. Never saw it before.

	03-12-2000 04:44									#8
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I donīt think that warrior code is relevant in any way for the late techs. I tested a couple of tech trees now and I didnīt find anything unusual on warrior code. as far as I can say now it doesnīt matter at all what time you are researching certain techs (including WC). the availability of the late(r) techs will always be the same.

when I get WC early I can rushbuy the 3rd row in the shield box. this is good for neurotic micromanagers like me and thatīs why I like it . however I usually donīt research it, it always comes along, somehow.

	03-12-2000 05:06									#9
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In agreement with Oedo here , WC is good for that third row in the box for churning settlers if you don't have writing first that is

What are these rumours i hear about navigation and was it WC that can mess up your tech choices? It was in another thread and i don't remember what the tech was or why it causes problems?

Archers are good for attacking that early barb threat, on terrain that is more defensive than offensive minded, ie on forests hills etc as opposed to plains and grass. Sometimes a Phalanx just doesn't cut it.

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	03-12-2000 13:08									#11
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Getting warrior code early for me has usually been the double wammy. Not only does it slow down getting to monarchy, it usually screws up the selection and makes me choose an extra tech before i can choose monarchy. It usually means not getting to monarchy prior to 2250 of not later.

RAH

But if you get it a little later, good for working towards the academy in MP games.

	04-12-2000 16:00									#13
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Undocumented support for Ribannah ...

There is 'certainly' some effect - would not like to pin it to early WC necessarily, but that does tally with my experience - that leads to VERY unseemly delays later in the tech tree and in particular the effect that Rib notes in passing the 'once off' appearance of Flight - which we OCCers will probably spurn - only to find it doesn't reappear for a zillion years or so.

Yes this needs testing - possibly another Urban Myth (but then in another thread someone was dismissing starting with MapMaking as an Urban Myth - and we have documentary evidence of that one!)



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	04-12-2000 19:27									#14
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Jim,
1 too early is anytime before Monarchy.
2.(too late?) In MP games, if I'm playing agressive players, Feudalism is a high priority, so anytime after Monarchy if good.
3. No its not the only one. Check out Odeo's new thread. He may have struck more gold.

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	05-12-2000 03:33									#15
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Warrior code is bad because of Pearl Habour.


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	05-12-2000 09:19									#16
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To whoever said Warrior Code is bad,

	05-12-2000 19:23									#18
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well, I gave him a christmas cap

	06-12-2000 02:18									#19
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How are the tech choices decided anyway? I am asking because I came to Civ2 by way of Freeciv, and in Freeciv, there is no resitriction to what tech you can research as long as it is immediately available in the tech tree. I am interested in finding out how exactly it is done in Civ2 so that Freeciv can be further improved. Thanks in advance.

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Jing,

See thread "odeo's unfinished".

	06-12-2000 02:37									#21
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Thanks a lot, Sequoya. That's exactly what I was looking for.

	06-12-2000 21:50									#22
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I dislike the micromanagers that obsess over stupid crap.

But whatever.

	07-12-2000 00:58									#23
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	09-12-2000 07:41									#24
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I just ran a test. Researching Warrior Code when a monarchy pre requisite didn't appear didn't require that I get any additional techs before Monarchy.

I generally go for Bronze Working as my first non- monarchy tech because it provides for defense, allows me to start a wonder, and is en route to Trade. But archers have the advantage of being able to attack that barb that just landed as well as defense. On the down side they cost more than phalanxes, and early on I want to spend shields on settlers.

But archers can be a heck of a lot of fun when the nearest civ decided to go for writing or pottery as their first non-monarchy tech.

	10-12-2000 10:29									#25
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I much prefer Horseback Riding as the first non-monarchy tech. True it has no wonder attached, but the ability to chase the Barb King for the 150 gold is invaluable.

Also - as Dave V has said many times - the Barb Archer only has a defence of ONE. If you allow the Barb Archer to attack with its strike power of THREE - most of the time your Phalanx is toast!

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	10-12-2000 04:04									#27
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i have to agree with ming here, on decent defensive terrain and fortified , the phalanx almost always wins, unless its that legendary superbarbarian

However even a fortified phalanx in a city on grass has problems with barb archers.

In double production, there really is no point in building any city that isn't on some sort of defensive terrain. Its not like there is a growth problem

	10-12-2000 04:58									#28
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What I love doing... putting a warrior in a city, turning on cheats, on raging hordes, giving myself all techs and watching the barb howies die to my sole warrior mwhahahahaha!

	11-12-2000 07:51									#29
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