04-08-2001 01:40									#1
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Nice looking map-grapics are - well, nice. But the tile-graphics are also easily replaceable. Im sure there will be alternative map-modpacks available for download a couple of months after the final release-date. Also, we dont know yet if the current map-graphics really represent the final version.

Another (and in my view more important) map-related "good looks" problem however, is A: Polypheus concerns about the Infinite Road & Railroad Sprawl, and B: my own concerns about the AI:s lack of emhasize on trying to establish AI coastal-cities along the coastal shores first and foremost (up to a point), then working inwards, in order to exploit the available landarea more effectively.

THIS SCREENSHOT seems to be many civers current "hate-object", and it sure is a good example of above two problems as well.

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	04-08-2001 01:43									#2
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You see the new screenshots at Gamespot? If not check out the new news item.

	04-08-2001 02:00									#3
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui You see the new screenshots at Gamespot? If not check out the new news item.

Perhaps it is screenshots of the players empire - not the AI. Also, considering the small size of the cities, I assume that it represent relatively early stages of the game. Show me some endgame screenshots of AI-empires instead, that seems to minimize above two problems.Until then, Im not that convinced.

	04-08-2001 03:33									#4
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Hopefully the city-management screen looks like the one from Civ II and not the horribly dark and misplaced mess that Test of Time's was.



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	04-08-2001 04:20									#5
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Are they going to anything about those roads going so awfully over the mountains?

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quote: Originally posted by kassiopeia Are they going to anything about those roads going so awfully over the mountains?

This is one of the cornerstones of the pessimist view of the game but as an optimist im quite sure they will look real nice, at least as good as SMAC and most likely better.

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quote: Originally posted by Wille This is one of the cornerstones of the pessimist view of the game but as an optimist im quite sure they will look real nice, at least as good as SMAC and most likely better.

That's a relief The pessimist club starts to appeal once I dared to actually look at the screenshots but I think I'll keep my neutral stance.
Honestly, if they go like that in the final version I'm not buying. Hefck, I'll buy it anyway, I just won't build roads...
There was and insteresting thread about the infinite RR-track covers all yer land- system... *checks out*

	04-08-2001 09:51									#8
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quote: Originally posted by kassiopeia , I just won't build roads...

One can always "just dont build so much of them", of course. But the problem is that building roads & railroads (at least roads) one each and every cityarea-tile is ONLY beneficial. So avoiding covering all end-game cityarea-tiles with roads, and most cityarea-tiles with RR:s, can currently only be done at great sacrifice. Also; the AI-civs build much them, so your are more or less forced to do the same.

It should be much more of a mixed blessing. I suggested the following enhanced counter-measures to be added:

- Railroads should now ONLY boost shield-output from mined hills & special resource-tiles.
No benefits on other tile-types; neither trade, food or shield ones. The increased movement-benefit is worthwhile enough in order to encourage the player to RR-connect all his cities, plus perhaps adding some strategical shortcuts & RR-knots as well, for more effective war mobilisations and more secure domestic resource-trade. RR-connected cities gets a mutual trade-bonus, and once ALL of your cities have been RR-connected you perhaps get some further bonus as well.

- Make roads through irrigated tiles a slighly mixed blessing:
No roads through irrigated tiles means that the max 50% increased food-output can be maintained. Building roads through irrigated tiles means only 25% food-increase, but you get instead the increased 50% trade-benefit. The benefits from late-game super-highways & supermarket city-improvements (if still there) and also the improved farmland terrain-improvement, should only further emphazise above difference.