05-12-2000 20:49									#1
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Shameless imitation of Julius's "what is your favorite special" thread.

For me, fish has to be my least favorite. If I build a city with a fish in its radius, I know I'm going to be spending millenia moving new citizens off that fish square. Each time the city grows, the AI will put the new worker on the highest-food square it can find. Since I rarely irrigate, and I'll build cities on top of other high-food specials, the highest-food square is always the fish. I'd much rather have less food and more production, so I have to move the new worker manually to a different square. If I forget to move the new worker, the city may grow into disorder before it can build a settler.

	05-12-2000 21:46									#2
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Those worthless gems!

	05-12-2000 21:51									#3
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My least favorite are the ones I have to make my Settlers work on to get right. Corn, when I really want Silk and Pheasant when I really want Buffalo. Iron is also annoying since you can't utilize it until your city grows big enough to withstand the loss of food or you terraform it to Wine.

	06-12-2000 00:26									#4
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I can fully agree with you, DaveV!! One more thing annoying me about fish is, they provide less production and more food than is good for a size1 or size2 city. That`s because if you don't micromanage the worked squares, the production of needed martial law units / the new settler will take longer than the filling of the foodbox. The city will revolt because of that. As you said, annoying micromanagement is the only way to prevent riots.
I don't like fruit, either. (uhm, in the game, I mean )

	06-12-2000 00:54									#5
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if you ever play double production, Coal becomes the most worthless special. It starts equal to a forset but is doesn't improve with monarchy.

	06-12-2000 05:57									#6
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Yes the stupid fish and iron.

	06-12-2000 06:04									#7
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gems and I think it is peat. whatever else is in the jungle/swamp. bananas seem worthwhile for a jungle. but I chop it down anyways. I don't care for saving the rainforest.

	06-12-2000 06:10									#8
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Dissident Agressor- about the peat.....it is the only four shield tile that produces food.....quite useful...but hey, if you don't like that sort of thing......

	06-12-2000 06:18									#9
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what terrain is it in?
I prefer high food over production. as long as the square has 1 prod (shield grass/plains) I'm happy. facts/ hoov dam/ and man plants improve that to a respectable level. I usually have hills to improve that more.

	06-12-2000 07:29									#11
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Ivory, because it's usually surrounded by useless glacier tiles.

Same reasoning goes for peat. Takes too long to transform the surrounding swamplands into something useful.

	06-12-2000 17:59									#12
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I would go with DaveV's fish. It really is too much of a pain to take your workers off the fish tile every other turn, and make them work something useful....

	06-12-2000 18:19									#13
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What's ivory? Is that the goofy walrus/seal? If so, it's a no-brainer. Whoever builds around them in the first place???

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	06-12-2000 18:59									#14
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In a double production game, an arctic coast can be quite potent. Get a whale, the ivory that no one likes and or a fur or oil tile, and you have quite a productive city.

	07-12-2000 00:12									#15
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Arctic oil. Hard enough to survive in that region at 1X without having to consider an all production special.

	07-12-2000 00:46									#16
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Arctic oil.

Tipped a goody hut and found an advanced tribe with one of these. Guess what? You can't irrigate 'em! Bummer!!

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	07-12-2000 00:52									#17
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Fish are okay. I don't like gems!

	07-12-2000 03:11									#18
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what do you guys have against fish?! Fish tastes good. I look at it this way. Yeah has no production, but the added food bonus will quickly increase the pop of my city giving me a worker I can put on a high production squear like a hill with a mine.

	07-12-2000 05:14									#19
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...meanwhile, if you don't have MC yet and you have lots of cities, those fish-eaters (Portuguese?) are spawning unhappy citizens like mad, forcing you to constantly change production.

	07-12-2000 05:24									#20
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that's what elvi are for. and when you do get michs and bachs you have a higher population that can quickly become a high prod city. build shakespear and king richards to really kick some ass.

	07-12-2000 06:59									#22
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I like fish, gems, peat and iron. The only trouble with iron is the time it takes to be able to use it by your govt and the mining time.

Any of you who dislike gems ought to try building a city on them and see how that goes.

But my least favorite is pheasant, and I always change it to buffalo for the trade as soon as possible.

Musk ox can be dissapointing too...
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	07-12-2000 07:15									#23
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I love pheasant. 2 food and a production bonus! trade is nice, but not the crutch of my game. I do like to mix pheasant up with one that has decent trade though.

	08-12-2000 03:11									#24
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Definitely Musk Ox and Oil(G). All the others are already great or can be changed into something better early on (Peat, Pheasant). Of course for Iron and Oil(D) it also depends on the rest of the terrain.

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	08-12-2000 03:12									#25
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Hmmm, something caused my post to appear twice. Oh well, we have rubber ... (Hey! A new resource! )



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	08-12-2000 16:16									#26
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Don't knock the lowly musk ox - build on it! a viable city in the middle of desolation ...

p.s. I like specials - fish are poor early, but what the heck you mean you don't micromanage 100+ cities??

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	08-12-2000 17:34									#27
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Fish - In my version of ICS, I do build up the capital and usually have a SSC. In addition I sometimes build up another city, but the only improvement this place has is a barracks. A high production city quickly churning out vet units is a great boost to the military early in the game. The cities that over produce food are controlled by food caravans to the places that need to grow.

If I am using Xin's Size Five Strategy the food caravans also feed these places.

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	15-12-2000 20:34									#28
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Hey Gits, I hadn't really considered porting the food away with food caravans from those two fish-square cities we all end up with somewhere. That's a great idea. Properly handled, these could assist cities exploiting gold, iron, or glacial oil in their radia. I, too, was surprised to hear that micromanagement was abandoned just because it takes a couple of hours a turn -- the audacity!

Building on musk ox is really the only way to get much use out of that resource in the heart of desolation.

	16-12-2000 00:25									#29
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In single player, the worst special IMO is iron as you need other specials like corn or in most cases you need to irrigate for awhile first before it can be properly utilized.

In MP double production the only special that is useless is the coal as it doesnt' upgrade at all. In reality its a forest trapped in a hills body

	16-12-2000 01:58									#30
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My vote goes to the Ox. It's all about location, location, location.