06-08-2001 11:05									#1
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How many animated leaders should be with each civilization in CivIII?

	06-08-2001 13:50									#2
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Well, I voted for a couple (male/female) for every Civ, but I know it's not an easy task finding two for every Civ included.

I realize that the 16 standard leaders are already defined, as I know the new standard reply from Firaxis will be "we are making a good editor, so many fan mod makers can do it by themselves"...

Well, give us the game coding as Open Source and I bet someone out there can also do any game enhancement Firaxis can't/won't do

	06-08-2001 13:52									#3
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1. get it out!
admiral, welcome back from ferragosto

	06-08-2001 14:09									#4
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quote: Originally posted by LaRusso admiral, welcome back from ferragosto

Thanks sir! (on a side note, I should note that Ferragosto in Italy is only the day of august, 15th - one of our national holidays )

Well, mine is more a "half return", because I'm waiting official site publishing before questioned more about game supposed good/bad points. I lurked some of the posts appeared during my vacation and I noted a very angry wind against the group of "not really happy" people out here. Better wait best times...

	06-08-2001 14:27									#5
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I voted for one because I don't really care too much about the animations of leaders. If 2 leaders is possible without slowing down the game creation process than great but if not 1 is good enough. Since it will slow down the process I guess it's 1 for me.

	06-08-2001 15:06									#6
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I think there should be more than two - in Civ2 most of the leaders seem to be from ancient/medieval times. For each civ there should be more modern leaders (like Winston Churchill or Thatcher, for example).

Just my two penneth.

	06-08-2001 19:15									#7
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If you have both a male and female animation then you run the risk of many online relationships beginning between deluded teenagers who mistakenly believe that if somebody uses a female animation in a MP game then they must be a female. It happens in EverQuest, it could happen in Civ III...

	06-08-2001 19:56									#8
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quote: Originally posted by red_jon I think there should be more than two - in Civ2 most of the leaders seem to be from ancient/medieval times. For each civ there should be more modern leaders (like Winston Churchill or Thatcher, for example).

If Thatcher was in, I would end up making it my crusade to invade the English and make sure she is killed

	06-08-2001 19:58									#9
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Scenario:

Maggie's union-busting tactics alienate the Northlands. Disgruntled miners rebel! The sout has the tech edge, but you can't beat the north for production.

	06-08-2001 20:29									#10
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quote: Originally posted by technophile If you have both a male and female animation then you run the risk of many online relationships beginning between deluded teenagers who mistakenly believe that if somebody uses a female animation in a MP game then they must be a female.

Well, don't try to start a relationship with me, don't bother if I'll chose a male or female leader: I'm already happy married and father of two

	06-08-2001 20:38									#11
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None.

It's because of these silly Max Headroom clones that we're only getting sixteen civs in the first place. I'd rather have more civs than any talking heads.

	06-08-2001 22:40									#12
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I'm surprised at the weight people are giving this. People complain that Firaxis is taking too long, but continuously ask for more, better graphics and options. Firaxis cannot possibly get the game out in a reasonable amount of time if they try to please everyone. Having two leaders (or more) doesn't affect the game AT ALL, it's just another pretty picture to look at. If Firaxis already included two for each, I'll shut up, but I don't think that's the case. I also hope that if/when I'm right (), people will keep their complaining to a minimum. Firaxis is working very hard and does not deserve the criticism they are getting, especially not because of something as minor as this.

	06-08-2001 22:51									#13
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I agree with Sabre2th. Something like this might be appropriate for an add-on pack, though.

	08-08-2001 00:57									#14
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If those talking heads are to represent the leaders there should be as much as there are leaders(and i hope that there are more than 2 for each civ with of course an specific way of gameplay attached to the leader)

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	08-08-2001 01:01									#15
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Well, with all the time spent on talking-leaders, how about talking advisors. They're supposedly just as animated, so I hope they talk too.

	08-08-2001 01:08									#16
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and give some good advice(in the spirit of an improved AI)

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	08-08-2001 01:57									#17
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1 Male/ 1 Female.

It's only fair

They could also have 1 Male advisor and 1 Female advisor for every cabinet post

	08-08-2001 10:34									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Sabre2th I'm surprised at the weight people are giving this. People complain that Firaxis is taking too long, but continuously ask for more, better graphics and options. Firaxis cannot possibly get the game out in a reasonable amount of time if they try to please everyone.

Sabre2th, if you read my firs post at this poll, you can see

quote: I realize that the 16 standard leaders are already defined

Firaxis already declared that 16 civ is the limit because of the great effort required making animated and unique units, animate leaders, etc.

technophile,

quote: I agree with Sabre2th. Something like this might be appropriate for an add-on pack, though

I don't think they should make more money selling to us an overpriced expansion box ala SMACX.
I'm for the commercial practice of free bonus by web sites / magazine free CD, gaining money from the sustained sells of the original Civ III box.
I mean, if casual players will look at a very well supported and refreshed game, they'll be more happy to buy and give it a try.

Good sells of original game can sustain lot of support and free add-on, IMHO. But I'm afraid Firaxis will pass on it; look again the Jeff inteview for Apolyton I'm not sure about the depth of their support:

quote: Apolyton: What are your plans for the after-release support? Some felt that SMAC needed one more patch... Jeff Morris: We're very proud of the Civ III editors and since these are tools for consumers, we have big plans for allowing these serious mod developers to achieve their goals. This will include dialogues with those developers who have a proven track record or a promising idea, updates to the editors based on ease of use and functionality, and improving the methods of distributing and playing these scenarios.

	09-08-2001 00:37									#19
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a male and a female one would be fine

	09-08-2001 01:37									#20
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One leader per civ! If the customisation is as good as they say it is, you will be able to add your own leader animations. I would like to see a "Tyrants of History" add-on with all the worst leaders of every civ they wouldnt put in the regular game like Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, Benito Mussolini, Hirohito, Dubya, Mao Zedong -- whoops!

	09-08-2001 01:49									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Adm.Naismith I don't think they should make more money selling to us an overpriced expansion box ala SMACX.

I agree; I didn't necessarily think that the expansion pack would be released by Firaxis.

	09-08-2001 01:54									#22
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One Male and One Female per Civilization. After all why should a female player have to settle for a male leader and vise-versa? It is only fair....

	09-08-2001 04:59									#23
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Slightly off topic, but I wouldn't call Hirohito one of the worst leaders ever. He was Japanese emperor till his death in 1988, and was essentially just a formal figurehead. The real villain was the militaristic leader, Tojo Hideki, who was tried and executed in 1948 for war crimes.

Though some of the blame may rest on the emperor, I feel it is unfair to blame a figurehead for the real leader's actions.
I see that King Victor Emmanuel III is not listed on your villain list, though he was King of Italy during Mussolini's fascist regime.

But a despot expansion would be interesting.

Germany - Adolf Hitler
France - Napoleon (or Charles DeGaulle )
Rome - Caligula or Nero or Domitian... there's so many!
Russia (USSR) - Stalin or Lenin
USA - Any president no one likes, maybe Richard Nixon, though I think the international version should have George W. (can anyone say Kyoto?)
Spain - Philip II, if he's not in already... ??? (or Franco)
England - Henry VIII
India - Akbar? Tamerlane? One of the Moguls?

It might also be a good idea for Firaxis to resurrect the "portrait" idea. If you read the CivII manual, it talks about the portrait button that lets you pick which portrait will represent you. Sadly, this was not in the actual game, though adding a few extra animated leaders to choose from, say if you DON'T want to be Elizabeth I (or female) for that matter.

	09-08-2001 05:00									#24
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Babylon - Saddam Hussein!

	09-08-2001 15:32									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander01 England - Henry VIII

Surely Thatcher is a better example of a British dictator?

ALL HAIL LADY THATCHER! EMPRESS OF BRITAIN!

	09-08-2001 16:41									#26
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Wasn't it said that "Thatcher was the only man in the English senate"?
I guess she was really feared.

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