07-08-2001 21:46									#1
	Idea: Allied Victory Support Apolyton

I remember when in one of my first games of Civ2 where I aliled with one of my neighbors and went to conquer the world. Well, I did conquer the world by about 1950. However, I hadn't killed my allies, and there wasn't enough time. I think that if you and an ally conquer the world, you should both win, but only 2 players could win in this way. Maybe you could also make an alliance where two players could build a spaceship together. What do you think?

	07-08-2001 21:48									#2
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that's acually a good idea, could become helpful for scenarios. WWII comes to mind

	07-08-2001 22:05									#3
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The only problem with allied vic is that it would make conquest way too easy. What stops me from a four way alliance to beat up some pathetic civilization? (or something along those lines, you get the point )

	07-08-2001 22:12									#4
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true again.... who says that alliance will not break up a few turns after the allied victory...post-WWII time springs to mind

	08-08-2001 00:09									#5
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Aside from multiplayer, I'd like to see Allied victory limited to submissive allies as in SMAC. However in MP, allied victory is a much needed feature

	08-08-2001 00:10									#6
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Then you could make a limit- only 2/3 civs can be allied to win the game.

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	08-08-2001 01:53									#7
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Once you start placing limitations like that civ3 becomes less and less realistic.. "Sorry, can't ally now, that'd push us over the 2/3 limit. Drop that Mongol guy or something." No good.

	08-08-2001 02:15									#8
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I don't want to share the world with anyone. I say no allied victory in single player mode. For scenarios and as an option in MP --> Yes.

	08-08-2001 03:29									#9
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allied victories?

no.

there is a "diplomatic" victory, where you can be voted in AC style.

so i guess if u and an ally kill everyone else you could claim that an allied victory in itself.

	08-08-2001 03:33									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Wiglaf Once you start placing limitations like that civ3 becomes less and less realistic.. "Sorry, can't ally now, that'd push us over the 2/3 limit. Drop that Mongol guy or something." No good.

Perhaps you could ally with as many people as you want, but could only win with one or two other civs, so you must backstab one of your allies and kill them to win.

	08-08-2001 03:41									#11
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Hmm.. that could work. Firaxis will have to work on that, though. Diplomacy in alpha centauri was weak as you could cheat the computer pretty often - manipulation of the system has to be made impossible in civ3.

	08-08-2001 20:55									#12
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Unfortunately by making it impossible to cheat an AI, there's a strong chance that the AI won't make any deals, like in Civ2 where diplomacy was worthless as the AI hated you no matter what. It's a fine line, one that I think will be one of the more difficult AI challenges

	13-08-2001 00:29									#13
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