10-08-2001 08:20									#1
	Naked Statue of Liberty in Civ III?!?! Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

Don't believe me? Click here Click on image 4.


No it’s not a link to a porn site and no this isn’t a joke.

	10-08-2001 08:24									#2
	Re: Naked Statue of Liberty in Civ III?!?! Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

quote: Originally posted by Timeline Don't believe me? Click here Click on image 4. No it’s not a link to a porn site and no this isn’t a joke.

That would be the Colossus of Rhodes. See:

http://ce.eng.usf.edu/pharos/wonders/colossus.html


Dan

	10-08-2001 08:26									#3
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Unless The Statue of Liberty grew a mustache , I would say that is some sort of Neptune wonder?

Dan,
I thought the Colossus was astride the port/bay

	10-08-2001 08:34									#4
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ok, sorry to waste your time Dan.

quote: I thought the Colossus was astride the port/bay

yes, me too It certainly is in the picture Dan gave us, and the old Civ2 video.

	10-08-2001 08:58									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Timeline ok, sorry to waste your time Dan. yes, me too It certainly is in the picture Dan gave us, and the old Civ2 video.

Based on what I recall of my Ancient Studies courses back in undergrad days, I remember a conversation where my incredibly burned-out professor explained that, though the traditional lore (and older illustrations) claimed that the Colossus straddled the entrance of the harbor, physics and trigonometry have all but proven this impossible, because it would have had to be much, much taller.

For an interesting comparison between the Statue of Liberty and the Colossus, check out this site:

http://unmuseum.mus.pa.us/colrhode.htm

Fascinating stuff.


Dan

	10-08-2001 09:08									#6
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Any plans to expose the rest of the Wonders on the website soon Dan? Really wanna know if ie. the Internet wonder is in...

	10-08-2001 09:16									#7
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quote: From the website Dan posted Although the statue has been popularly depicted with its legs spanning the harbor entrance so that ships could pass beneath, it was actually posed in a more traditional Greek manner: nude, wearing a spiked crown, shading its eyes from the rising sun with its right hand, while holding a cloak over its left. No ancient account mentions the harbor-spanning pose and it seems unlikely the Greeks would have depicted one of their gods in such an awkward manner. In addition, such a pose would mean shutting down the harbor during the construction, something not economically feasible.

Well, I have to give you a complement: looks like you guys at Firaxis, know what your doing. Not that anyone said you didn’t .

Keep it real!!

	10-08-2001 22:45									#8
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...and considering what's between the statue's legs, I'm sure Firaxis wouldn't want to reveal Statue of Liberty being transgendered.

	10-08-2001 23:03									#9
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Stefu, I knew you'd have your eye on that.

Seriously, though, I doubt the ability of an ancient civilisation to build a statue as massive as the colossus with its legs spread across a harbour. Actually, I wouldn't trust an engineer from today who claimed he could do such a thing with copper; the strength's just not there. Building something straight up is easy; building something at an angle is hard.

	10-08-2001 23:22									#10
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Actually it was made of a wooden skeleton covered with bronze plates.

Nice picture by the way! (actually all the graphics are GREAT! Good work FIRAXIS.)

I know it isn't REALITIC, but it would be cool if it had one lge at each side of the harbour entry.

	10-08-2001 23:37									#11
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Makes you wonder why the Colossus wasn't a female. After all, having a giant female with legs spread open for an entry would have really signified what entering to harbour meant for those sailors.

Americans wasted a good opportunity with Statue of Liberty, it seems.

	10-08-2001 23:41									#12
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Speaking of historical accuracy why did you design Alexander with short hair?

Where is his glamorous, aristocratic, rebel free long hair that I remember from school picture's of statues?! huh?

He looks more like an ancient slave!!!! (that had short hair)

I always meant to ask you this

Really, this is not important and congrats for the colossus background. If you feel like it, answer me


Cheers

	10-08-2001 23:42									#13
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quote: Originally posted by hetairoi22 Actually it was made of a wooden skeleton covered with bronze plates.

Was it? Why is it represented as green, then? I thought bronze didn't turn green as it aged. Might be mistaken, though.

	10-08-2001 23:56									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Stefu Makes you wonder why the Colossus wasn't a female. After all, having a giant female with legs spread open for an entry would have really signified what entering to harbour meant for those sailors. Americans wasted a good opportunity with Statue of Liberty, it seems.

Actually Stefu, the French built it. Then they took it down, carted it into crates and sailed them to America.

Then the Americans decided a huge statue of a naked lady in the throes of sexual orgasm was the wrong image for their country and covered her up.

Okay, I may have made the last bit up ....

	10-08-2001 23:57									#15
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You're probably thinking of brass. Bronze certainly turns green as it ages, as the high copper content oxidizes.

	11-08-2001 00:01									#16
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Doesn't brass have a high copper content also?

I honestly thought bronze didn't tarnish by turning green.

*Rummages around through his college chem textbooks*

	11-08-2001 00:18									#17
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From Encarta:

quote: The strongest bronze alloys contain tin and a small amount of lead. Tin, silicon, or aluminum is often added to bronze to improve its corrosion resistance. As bronze weathers, a brown or green film forms on the surface. This film inhibits corrosion. For example, many bronze statues erected hundreds of years ago show little sign of corrosion.

I added the bold.

	11-08-2001 02:44									#18
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That would be a very cool feature if the Collossus actually ages in color during the game. It already appears that city-walls age or become obsolete, so why not age the other buildings/wonders?