11-08-2001 05:01									#1
	I am very concerned about the advisor and wonder movies Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

I thought they were wonderfully, stunningly well done in Civ2. Real, honest to gosh footage in each one! (Ok the trade advisor was a tad effeminate and the Manhatten movie was stupid). But overall, they were GREAT!!!

Now we see that we will have computer-generated crap instead of REAL FOOTAGE. I don't want some computer image that looks like the boobbing and weaving heralds!!! I want that hot tamale foreign advisor and good ole fatty platehead...and those stunning movies like Darwin and SOL.

SOUND THE ALARM!!! IT'S A STEP BACK AND PROBABLY PROMPTED BY COST CUTTING. At least leave in the option to use the Civ2 stuff!!!

	11-08-2001 05:03									#2
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I want wonder movies like in SMAC! They were zillion times better than the Civ2 ones.

	11-08-2001 05:15									#3
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quote: Originally posted by GP (Ok the trade advisor was a tad effeminate and the Manhatten movie was stupid)

The Manhattan project had a decent movie. My favourite, though, was Adam Smith's (what a joke, eh?). Oh yeah. You lay off that trade advisor; he was hot!

	11-08-2001 05:17									#4
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there are wonder movies in SMAC?

besides...

Eli, you have SMAC??

besides...

Eli, you told me you're going to bed!

	11-08-2001 05:32									#5
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OMG! The movies are gone! This game is SO crappy!

It's getting late... then I become cynical....

	11-08-2001 05:49									#6
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I didn't like the movies in Civ II. I don't think they should include movies at all.

	11-08-2001 06:12									#7
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They seem to believe all civers love 3D graphics, "cool" animations and funny little characters. Wouldn't be surprised if it's a childrens game we have all looked forward too. Darnit, it's the live footage that brings the civ-ish mood! A game with no cinematics?

	11-08-2001 06:20									#8
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cinematics are boring. You watch them a couple of times, it's over.

animations don't just come out of the blue like cinematics do. They fit perfectly in the game: i.e. watch Alexander get angry in front of you and direct your diplomacy based on that!

(advisors are another matter but I think you can config those?)

	11-08-2001 07:17									#9
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pattycakes,

Let's get on the wrestling mat. I wanna grapevine you. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot. Would you rather watch a cartoon or a real movie. Are you over 18?!?!?!

	11-08-2001 07:18									#10
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Funky dude! you are on the money. I am literally ready to RIP some Firaxis tits. And I know where they work.

	11-08-2001 07:45									#11
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I agree that the wonder movies get boring after the first couple times... you can still play the game with animations.

	11-08-2001 08:10									#12
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse The Manhattan project had a decent movie. My favourite, though, was Adam Smith's (what a joke, eh?). Oh yeah. You lay off that trade advisor; he was hot!

You hussy, you!!

	11-08-2001 08:11									#13
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quote: Originally posted by shum00 I agree that the wonder movies get boring after the first couple times... you can still play the game with animations.

I want your prissy 5-year-old ass on the wrestling mat. Let's go *******. Maybe we should box instead....

	11-08-2001 08:14									#14
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I like the new city view so much, its a great substitute for wonder movies. Firaxis said that the city view changes when you progress through the ages & if your on a certain tile. Have you seen the new screens of the desert tile? Looks way sweeter than any wonder movie i've seen.

	11-08-2001 08:29									#15
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What the SAM HELL!!! does the city view have to do with movies?

And have you seen actual footage? Or computer-generated crap. Don't make me come beat your soft, young nerdy ass!!!

I am ready for combat here!!!

	11-08-2001 09:04									#16
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I agree with paiktis. I prefer animated leaders and advisors over wonder movies and advisor movies. CGI can do some good things.

GP, stop Yinning .

	11-08-2001 09:32									#17
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You wimpy, *****-ass kids!!!

buncha nitanoid, little weasels! Drop and give me 88!!

	11-08-2001 11:16									#18
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I want real footage. It was a big part of Civ2's feel. CG works in sci fi like smac, but it doesn't look right in history games.

	11-08-2001 11:16									#19
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quote: Originally posted by GP Would you rather watch a cartoon or a real movie. Are you over 18?!?!?!

Let's see, I am 18. Can I answer?

I have seen a ton of movies this summer and most say that the best one I have seen is the animated Shrek. Funny and irreverent, it is a fairy tale that will actually make you laugh outloud in the theatres. It simply kills JP3, Tomb Raider, DRD2, AI, Mulan Rouge, Swordfish, Planet of the Apes, Rush Hour 2, American Pie 2, and all the rest of them. And the best show on television year after year continues to be the highly satirical Simpsons. So, I guess I would prefer to watch cartoons.


On the other hand I would like to see wonder movies make a comeback and I think they will. Has Firaxis said they were out?

All I got to say is that the videos need to be better than CtP's. The movies in that game weren't worth watching even once.

	11-08-2001 11:28									#20
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GP, please get out of "silly mode" or start facing the consequences(and you dare tell me "consequences, schmonsequences"!)

	11-08-2001 11:49									#21
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Yes, Mark.

To be serious, I still maintain that real film footage is much more beautiful than computer graphics. That is the nature of my concern.

Last edited by TCO on 11-08-2001 at 12:02

	11-08-2001 11:52									#22
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disregard...

	11-08-2001 11:55									#23
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quote: Originally posted by GP I want your prissy 5-year-old ass on the wrestling mat

I'd get a pin in twenty seconds. I know you weren't talking to me, but I still would.

	11-08-2001 12:04									#24
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did you wrestle?

(GP realizes that it's been ~ 17 years since the glory days of HS wrestling... )

	11-08-2001 12:11									#25
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Yup. 4 years in HS. It's been a while, but my brother and I go sometimes. Not so often since his toe got lopped off. First year (grade 7) I weighed in at an astonishing *drum roll* 79 pounds. I managed to work my way up to 145 by grade 11, and I've put on an extra 15 pounds since then (not much fat, luckily). Oh yeah...to make sure this isn't spam (and 'cause it's true) I agree that the live-action is superior to animation, especially in the historical context. Animation worked quite well in SMAC, however. Those SMAC videos always gave me the chills...

	11-08-2001 12:17									#26
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I concur with you on the need for live action (silver halide!!) film sequences and BTW insert that I probably would get pinned...

I'm up to 195 but about 40 pounds is excess. The weight and my general meanness would help...but I kinda have a feelling that a young guy who knows what he's doing could take me no prob...

ever box? I did that for a couple seasons at school...hated it actually.

I think I could last more than 20 seconds though!!!

i wrestled this big Chinese muscle dude a few weeks ago...

	11-08-2001 12:22									#27
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I haven't seen the SMAC videos. Were they better than the Civ2 videos?

	11-08-2001 12:41									#28
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quote: Originally posted by GP I haven't seen the SMAC videos. Were they better than the Civ2 videos?

They were...different. Civ 2 feels like you're replaying history. It's familiar and feels comfortable if you have a general historical background to work from. SMAC's videos were almost philosophical, as was the entire game. Specifically, they dealt with the way technology and society affect one another. All in all, they paint a commendably realistic picture.

Never boxed. Did kickbox for a little while (read 8 months), but I didn't enjoy it too much, so I quit. Won the three street fights I've been in, but I was hardly using Marquis of Queensbury rules.

I get the feeling that any halfway decent boxer could take me to pieces, even though I have a decent reach for my weight (I'm 5'11 or so).

My real fave is rugby, though. I was addicted from the moment I saw my first compound fracture.

	11-08-2001 12:49									#29
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So...which one's are prettier. I really think for a nebie the Civ2 stuff is stunning. Which would impress a newbie more: civ2 real footage or SMAC stuff?

boxing is a bit of a gut check. good even if you're not good at it. Boxing college-age athletes is different from a school-yard fight. (The boxing is tougher...IMHO)

I was pretty mediocre. but felt good about passing the "check".

Wrestling is more fun...

	11-08-2001 12:54									#30
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Hmmm...I'd have to say SMAC, for a newbie. They had the sci-fi feel most newbs are impressed with.

BTW, SMAC is very addictive, and you should never experiment with it. Remember not to share needles if you do want to try it.