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XarXo
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of the "I agree"
Jul 2000
time: 05:15
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WHO MADE THE TRIBE LIST??????
MONGOLS??? INCANS??? SPANISH???? Where are them??? They had enormous empires and now... Nothing?
I suggest a list of 24 tribes, *ONLY* 24!!!!!!!!!!!! *ONLY* 8 MORE!!!!!! With the ones that you have made, o dear FIRAXIS. With this ones you cover ALL the basic cultures and could have a map without tons of starting points concentrated in a small zone (Europe...).
I sorted them in continents. No one more, no one less.
America: USA (Americans), Iroquois (Iroquese), The Birú (Incans, or the Tauantisuyu confederation) and Aztec Empire (Aztecs).
(4 tribes)
Europe: British, Russians, Romans, Spanish, French, Germans and Greeks.
(7 tribes)
Asia: China, Japan, Mongolia, India, Persia, Babylon, Israel and Siam (the Thai culture!!!!).
(8 tribes)
Africa: Zulus, Ethiopians, Egypt and Nigeria (this last one is the african state with the biggest increase in development, with an enormous territory and will have 600 millions at the 2020/2025).
(4 tribes)
Oceania: Polynese (Hawaii and the other Pacific islands, they could have a trirreme when start, with the expansionist option and a GOOD exploration AI, is a good posibility)
(1 tribe)
4 + 7 + 8 + 4 + 1 = 24
In the future expansion pack you can add 8 tribes, like these ones: Vikings, Portuguese, Catalans, Inuit, Turkish, Arabians (Arabia Saudi), Argentinians and Brazilians.
 
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XarXo
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of the "I agree"
Jul 2000
time: 05:15
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Originally posted by DarkCloud
If we MUST include a native american civilization, just lump them all together: (Why the Biriu? why not the Mississippians or the Snake Mound builders, or the olmecs?)
Thus: only 16 Civilizations are needed |
The Birú (not "Inca Empire") is a 600 years succesion of empires (the last, the Inca one), they have an astronomy more advanced than the rest in the world in the moment, they controlled an empire as big as Brazil and they trade routes made magnificient cities and roads in all the Andes. Mississippians are only known by their racist past, Snake Mound , I don't knwo, olmecs was like mayans, a great civilization, but not enough to be included.
The Birú (the real and actual one) is Ecuador + Peru + Half Bolivia + Half Chile. See it in a map and compare this with Germany, France or another country. A lot of ecuatorians and bolivians think in a the Tauantisuyu State to save their Qeichua culture, a culture of 55 million of people. If you think that it's not enough, OK.
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Originally posted by DarkCloud
Ghana (greater empire than the Zulu or Ethiopians; ancient empire)
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OK, and Mali too, but Ethiopia is a special country, it has the most old state organization in africa (except for Egypt), they *probably* have the original hebrew alliance arc (yes!!), they have an empire a lot bigger, without enormous deserts of "no-one here", they controlled a lot of different cultures, etc...
Ghana... Well... Is possibility in the expansion pack 
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DarkCloud
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Jul 2000
time: 05:15
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Originally posted by XarXo
The Birú (not "Inca Empire") is a 600 years succesion of empires (the last, the Inca one), they have an astronomy more advanced than the rest in the world in the moment, they controlled an empire as big as Brazil and they trade routes made magnificient cities and roads in all the Andes. Mississippians are only known by their racist past, Snake Mound , I don't knwo, olmecs was like mayans, a great civilization, but not enough to be included. |
Okay, didn't know that Biru was made up of Incans. Incans have a right to be included... but I believe that the Aztecs would be a more interesting civ to have in civ... so If one has to go...
The Snake Mound builders are the Mississippian Civilization... Not the Mississipian Confederate people 'racist past' HAHAHAHAAH. Sorry, it's easy to get the two confused.
The Mississipians, like the Anasazi were an ancient North American pre-colombian civilization.
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OK, and Mali too, but Ethiopia is a special country, it has the most old state organization in africa (except for Egypt), they *probably* have the original hebrew alliance arc (yes!!), they have an empire a lot bigger, without enormous deserts of "no-one here", they controlled a lot of different cultures, etc...
Ghana... Well... Is possibility in the expansion pack |
Sorry, forgot about Mali.
Ethiopia, all I know is that it was the only African civilization to escape colonization by the Europeans. I think they fought the French and maybe the Belgian civilizations.
Hebrew Alliance Arc?
but the deserts are made of nothing
Mali or Ghana is better than Ethiopia
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Originally posted by XarXo
The Birú (not "Inca Empire") is a 600 years succesion of empires (the last, the Inca one), they have an astronomy more advanced than the rest in the world in the moment, they controlled an empire as big as Brazil and they trade routes made magnificient cities and roads in all the Andes. Mississippians are only known by their racist past, Snake Mound , I don't knwo, olmecs was like mayans, a great civilization, but not enough to be included.
The Birú (the real and actual one) is Ecuador + Peru + Half Bolivia + Half Chile. See it in a map and compare this with Germany, France or another country. A lot of ecuatorians and bolivians think in a the Tauantisuyu State to save their Qeichua culture, a culture of 55 million of people. If you think that it's not enough, OK. |
09-08-2001 19:11
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Originally posted by Locutus
I think they changed from Sioux to Iroquois because the Iroquois were much more a real civ, they weren't loose tribes but were unified in an alliance and more or less behaved like a single nation towards the Western colonists and other native North-Americans. My knowledge of the Sioux is limited but I think they were much less unified and one could thus argue that they aren't even a real civ whereas the Iroquois were (I'm not sure if everyone would agree to this but I can see how Firaxis might).
Locutus, I was going to post this 2 days ago but!! You are correct, the Iroquois were a federation from around 1400AD (Or early) to 1779 when General John Sullivan, under George Washington's orders, took revenge on the Indians by destroying their villages. The Federation was made up by the Mohawk, Oneida, Onondaga, Cayuga, and Seneca. The Iroquois called themselves the Ongwanonhsioni. This name refers to their dwellings and means we long house builders. About 1722 the Tuscarora Indians joined the league, which then became known as the Six Nations. The confederation of states that became the United States of America may have been patterned after the Iroquois League.
The Iroquois were a Federation longer that either the Aztecs or the Incas was an Empire. 379 years or so.
Both the Incas and Aztecs were started around 1400. I used an Encyclopedia to research both.
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Originally posted by XarXo
I don't knwo, olmecs was like mayans, a great civilization, but not enough to be included. |
The Mayans were around as a Civs from 2500BC to 950AD. Let's see 950 + 2500= 3450 years. Not bad for someone who is not included.
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As a practical matter, you have to make some choices. For example, it would be ridiculous to have both Mali and Ghana. They overlap too much territory. The Mali have a more famous leader (Mansa Musa), so I say go with them. Mesopotamian includes Babylon, Sumer, etc., so again pick one, and I say Babylonians. Inca is a better-known name than 'Birú', so I say go with that. There are too many minor Native American peoples to include, so Iroquois seems good enough to me to stand for all of them.
That said, it's obvious (to me) that there are still too few civs. We need all the civs from Civ 2 (including the hidden ones, Arabs and Incas), plus more, including Turks, Mali, and a SE Asia civ (Khmer?), at least. Those are fairly large omissions, from either a historical perspective or a game-playing perspective (on historical grounds you can exclude the Mali, but as a matter of balance and game play it would be really great to have a civ in west Africa).
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XarXo
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of the "I agree"
Jul 2000
time: 05:15
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dont mean to disapoint you, but IT IS TOO LATE TO ADD NEW CIVS NOW
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You are in the wrong way Mark  , I will explain why:
-If Civ III editor is included, and WE can change the options in Civ III, why FIRAXIS can't? They can't use their own programs????? If we can modify the game THEY CAN TOO, and also they have a lot of potent computers with fast and amaizing design programs, not Paintbrush as us. They are professionals. Also, DAN MAGAHA, Civ3.com is made, yes? You have a co-webmaster YES? So you have more FREE TIME!!! Use it to make the 8 civilizations that we need!!! We're in August, with 60 days you can make:
- 8 special units.
- 8 leaders (x 4, for the 4 ages in the game).
- 8 city lists (ooooh, too difficult!!! )
The advisors styles an the other stuff is the same for consecuent cultures, so IT COULD BE MADE!!!!
If you need info about the cultures, I can refresh you that Incans, Mongols, Spanish and other ones yet have leader names and city list in Civ II!!!! (Incans were hidden in the RULES.TXT)
So, IT CAN BE MADE, WE DON'T NEED TO WAIT TO CIV IV OR A SILLY EXPANSION PACK!!!!!
Now, other questions:
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Inca is a better-known name than 'Birú', so I say go with that. |
Well, yes, the "The Birú" name sound a bit strange, but is the original name in qeichua language, actually is the "El Perú" country, the spanish adaption.
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The Cherokee would be good... maybe Cree. One of my wishes would be all the native tribes fron Colonization. Maybe make it possible to import civs from ready made scenarios into the main game. Swiss, Sami, Athapaskan, Powhatan, Luxembourgish, Estonian, Singapore, Tongan, Rwanda, Guyana... but then I'm being silly. |
Well, a known Civ-Requirement is that the civilization must have some other-cultures-exterminations, bloody wars, terrorist tactical moves, horrorous past and large empires that dured short periods. i. e.: Germany, USA, Japan, Spain, China, Greece... 
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XarXo
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of the "I agree"
Jul 2000
time: 05:15
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Originally posted by Eddin
If I were Firaxis, I would be much too lazy to make an ENTIRE new set of faces while you have actually nearly finished the game.
Then again, I'm not in Firaxis
 !GO FIRAXIS GO! |
Well, not an ENTIRE NEW SET, only the 8 new ones, the old ones are perfect!! I refresh the list :
- Mongols (Mongolia),
- Spanish (Spain),
- Incans (The Birú),
- Hebrews (Israel),
- Siamese (Siam, the Thailand-Myanmar-Malaysia-Cambodja-Laos-
Vietnam-Bangla Desh culture),
- Ethiopians (Ethiopia),
- Nigerians (Nigeria, an enormous population, big country, great
industrial growth, a lot of militar power... Is the
Africa version of China). Nigeria is the principal country
in the Swagili ethnic territory. Represents all the
western africa zone.
- Polynesians (Polynese, is the representant of the Pacific and
Australia, actually empty in the original Civ I/II
versions. They contribueited with the magnificient
Rapa-Nui Moais, the Hawaian culture...) with a correct
shallow-sea "road" connecting each island and
Australia , a good AI, a trirreme when start and the
seafearing knowledge, why not???
I *truly* believe that they are the correct ones, and remember that 3 of them were included in Civ II (Incans in a hidden position...).
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MarkG
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Grand Lord of Apolyton, Owner of all this land as far as the eye can see
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Originally posted by XarXo
They are professionals. Also, DAN MAGAHA, Civ3.com is made, yes? You have a co-webmaster YES? So you have more FREE TIME!!! Use it to make the 8 civilizations that we need!!! We're in August, with 60 days you can make:
- 8 special units.
- 8 leaders (x 4, for the 4 ages in the game).
- 8 city lists (ooooh, too difficult!!! )
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last time i checked Dan was doing work around webmastering, web designing, etc, NOT 3d graphics renderings!
something tells me the animations(which will be pre-renderred) of the leaders in the diplomacy screen need a LOT of work and (renderding) time to be made
perhaps if we had someone from the art team, he could tell us how many frames each leader has(hint for the gods)....
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11-08-2001 06:26
, I think in Africa Abessinians win over Ghana/Mali and Zulus, the mali would win over Zulu. What speaks for the abessinians is the continuity of their civ and the fact that they MOL resisted imperialism.
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