11-08-2001 09:06									#1
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Louis XIV
Napoleon
Charles De Gaulle


All far more significant (and well known) than Joan. Granted, Joan was extremely brave and made for one of the more interesting stories in French history, I would hardly call her the ultimate culmination of French leadership over the years. Thus far, this is the only real leadership choice i find highly questionable.
Granted, maybe she makes a more "charming" and "marketable" choice, (a boyish looking 14 year old girl as leader of all of France), but I think Napoleon would have been entertaining as well. (Short, overly-arrogant, and they could have given him a killer french accent)

	11-08-2001 09:41									#2
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Napoleon wasn't short. It's just a myth.

	11-08-2001 09:55									#3
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I think Joan is appropriate... she was one of the first "nationalists." She asserted France's rights as a soverign nation... tho the English had a claim to the French throne.

I have no problem with her.

	11-08-2001 10:00									#4
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Napoleon wasn't dwarf short. He was definitely short compared to Frederick the Great's collection of elite 7-foot tall soldiers, but hey. He was short, but not so short as to be miniscule. He was still quite imposing and imperious.

I think the only reason Napoleon or Louis XIV are not the animated French leaders is because Joan is one of the few female leaders whose name is actually recognized, and Firaxis needed a few token females. (Elizabeth, Catherine, Joan, Cleopatra...any others?)

	11-08-2001 11:00									#5
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Alexander is probably right. Firaxis needed a few females.

It would have been better if they had made both a female and a male leader for each civ, meaning that when you found a civ you wouldn't be sure which strategy they were going to play until you conducted diplomacy and met the leader.

But alas, it probably was too hard coming up with female leaders of the Babylonians or the Aztecs and with the graphics it probably was just not worth it.

	12-08-2001 16:50									#6
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I would have chosen Louis XIV. Napoleon conquered almost whole of Europe and had a huge impact on the history.
To the french though, Jeanne d'Arc still is the symbol of their republic. Regularly they choose a new female to pose as the new Jeanne.

	12-08-2001 18:59									#7
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IIRC Joan D'Arc wasn't even the leader of the French, she was just a military figure fighting to reclaim the crown for a certain French ponse.

	12-08-2001 19:22									#8
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Jean d'arc should be among the great military leaders IMHO.
Does Firaxis have many females there? - I doubt it.
As french leader they should pick either louis XIV or Napoleon.

	12-08-2001 20:15									#9
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Why does the game has to be historically correct? For us NON-Historicans Joan D'Arc would be the best leader for France, we (the NON-Historicans) don't know if Joan actually leaded Feance or not, but everybody of us know the name Joan D'Arc and releate it to something about France leadership (or something...). While Napoleon is known because of the battlefield and a person like Louis XSomethingL is just one of many who we have no clue what he has done

And there need to be some female leaders in the game, the world has only a few well know female leaders

	12-08-2001 23:05									#10
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Napoleon impacted the WORLD more than he did France IMHO.

as he conquered most of europe, he installed the Napoleonic Code, basically creating a democracy in every territory he took.

when Napoleon fell, the original monarchs were installed again, and the people had a taste of freedom . so they overthrew all their old monarchs and created modern democracies, or their precursors.

also Napoleon focused on Europe / Asia / Africa, and left the Colonies in America (Latin mosty) declare their independece rather easily.

	12-08-2001 23:07									#11
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and Louis XIV built the palace of Versalles for crying out loud.

he was a lavish King of france, who wanted to make his nation a cultural beacon, shining for everyone to gaze at with awe.

he didn't do much more than that. and then the peasants (3rd estate) kicked some ass

	12-08-2001 23:46									#12
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This is something that they (most likely) won't change as it requires them to make a brand new leader graphic, and that would delay the game, as they had to make research and design and...

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Last edited by Gramphos on 13-08-2001 at 00:02

	13-08-2001 00:09									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Gramphos This is something that they (most likely) won't change as it requires them to make a brand new leader graphic, and that would delay the game, as they had to make research and design and... Edit: Language

Please don't delay it...I want the game now

	13-08-2001 00:12									#14
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they're not going to change it no matter what anyone says.

if you could prove she never existed, or was nothing more than a street prostitute, firaxis wouldn't change it.

THEY SPENT WEEKS, IF NOT MONTHS, IF NOT YEARS, IF NOT EONS making that animation.