28-12-2000 17:56									#1
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Last night I happened to have a spy mosey up to a former Viking town that was bathed in bright red. Okay, I thought, I'll buy a city on the cheap. But when the menu popped up for inciting a revolt, lo and behold, "Establish Embassy" was also listed as an option! When I chose that option, voila!! A real embassy info screen. Granted, they didn't have squat for technology but I was able to list their cities (they had three) and that was pretty cool.

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	28-12-2000 19:17									#2
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Cool!

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	28-12-2000 20:56									#3
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I seem to remember doing that some time ago. Does the embassy disappear on the next turn?

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	29-12-2000 10:53									#4
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You know, I don't remember and I've since taken the other two cities. Sorry.

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	29-12-2000 02:56									#5
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No on the disappearance in my experience. Lasts as long as THAT city is barbarian. Can't trade techs or anything else very interesting. Info screen did not update adding cities if that happens. Did update losses, removing those cities. Established embassy for a lark, wrote down what I saw. Kept them barb to see where it would go. Checked the city with a spy regularly. The city never built anything but dragoons, maxed production in citizen distribution until it shrank; redistributed to max food, but all new citizens went to to best production squares. They actually got a science due to gold on a mountain letting them have a beaker. Finally bought the city to get that gold.
[This message has been edited by Blaupanzer (edited December 28, 2000).]

	29-12-2000 04:17									#6
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My experience has been the embassy does disappear next turn.

A barb city will keep producing whatever unit actually captured it.Could be horse,archer,legion..what have you.

	29-12-2000 12:28									#7
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wow never even thought about establishing embassy.

	29-12-2000 16:46									#8
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I agree with what Blaupanzer wrote (did about the same, except that I didn't write anything, I'm so lazy).
Advice: don't do that with a dip; you lose him for nothing. With a vet spy, it's fun (might even be useful listing other barb cities like kcbob did).
What I have been doing once in a while with great pleasure is building a city close to theirs, after having discovered Industrialization. When they come and take the city, I get a bunch of mighty NON partisans long before researching Guerilla Warfare (imagin: 3 moves, no ZOC, attack 4, defense 4, and the AI quite often has not yet started researching Gunpowder!).

	29-12-2000 18:52									#9
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La Fayette - I think you will find the Partisans come with Communism, not Industrialisation.
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	30-12-2000 00:27									#10
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What the Viking civilization destroyed when the barbs took that city? Was it the Viking capital before the barbs took it?

	02-01-2001 19:18									#11
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As it turns out, I had not taken the other two barb cities. Unfortunately, their embassy/tribe/civ was not listed when I did go back and look. Oh, well.

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	02-01-2001 23:15									#12
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Never thought of establishing an embassy with them. They are always so reasonably priced I kwickly bribed them.

	05-01-2001 03:08									#13
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I established an embassy with a barb city unsing a diplo. Got a one time embassy screen, then it was gone, did not show up on the F3 forien relations screen. I was playing MGE

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	13-01-2001 04:54									#15
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Ir was not the send representative screen it was the itteligence screen you get when you first establish an embassy, give info on their civ, such as the barbarian leaders name is Attila

	15-01-2001 13:22									#16
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From what I remember the embassy does disappear, but you receive reports of barbs gaining technology (if they do). But I've also gotten reports of barbs gaining tech evenwhen I had no embassy. I may have had Marcos, though.

Smash:
Barbs will upgrade the units they produce. I believe it depends on the player's tech level, but AI civs may affect it. I've seen cities captured by Archers produce rifleman & infantry (modpack) units if left until endgame. I believe their units are 0-1 levels of "power" below yours (i.e., if you have cavalry, they'll produce dragoons). Trust me. In a game where Heavy Armor Design made older tanks obsolete, I watched a city that was captured by dragoons, now producing cavalry, roll out the 1st & only barbarian armor unit I've ever seen. You don't forget seeing something like that!

	17-01-2001 20:49									#17
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SG2
I research communism immediately after industrialization in almost any game, which makes me unable to agree or disagree.
One fact must be mentioned: those partisans don't appear always. Most of the time they do, sometimes they don't. I haven't found out yet, but there must be a reason why.

	18-01-2001 10:39									#18
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La Fayette - I checked an old game to be sure!
I always get at least one if the city is small or several from larger places.

I sometimes bribe them if not too expensive. On one occasion (all from the same city) some were vets - others were not!?
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