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SK138
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Indiana, PA, USA
Dec 2000
time: 00:15
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I think this should answer Uffty's question about America being a civilization. If you go in to Word and type in "civilization" then go to the thesaurus you get the words "people", "society", "nation", "culture", and "empire".
American's are people living in a society and nation and there culture has spread worldwide. The American empire is our territory or domain.
I also looked up the word "civilization" in a couple of dictionaries and here is what I got:
Main Entry: civ·i·li·za·tion
Pronunciation: "si-v&-l&-'zA-sh&n
1 a : a relatively high level of cultural and technological
development; specifically : the stage of cultural development
at which writing and the keeping of written records is
attained b : the culture characteristic of a particular time or
place
2 : the process of becoming civilized
3 a : refinement of thought, manners, or taste b : a situation
of urban comfort
civ·i·li·za·tion (sv-l-zshn)
n.
An advanced state of intellectual, cultural, and material
development in human society, marked by progress in the
arts and sciences, the extensive use of record-keeping,
including writing, and the appearance of complex political and
social institutions.
The type of culture and society developed by a particular
nation or region or in a particular epoch: Mayan civilization;
the civilization of ancient Rome.
The act or process of civilizing or reaching a civilized state.
Cultural or intellectual refinement; good taste.
Modern society with its conveniences: returned to civilization
after camping in the mountains.
Once again, America fits under just about every definition of the term "civilization".
Uffty, you also argue about America having no culture. Do you drink Pepsi or Coke? Do you have Nike shoes? What about McDonalds? The Disney theme park(s) in Europe are all based on the Walt Disney's cartoons and his theme parks in the US. Walt Disney is also American. I was watching TV one day and I saw this show about Japan and some people were eating, but they weren't eating the traditional Japanese foods, they were eating hamburgers, hot dogs, and french fries which are American foods. Here is a big event that shows how America culture has spread. When America won its independence they decided to become a democracy while just about every other country still had some form of Monarchy, but now countries like Britain, France, and even the American rivals throughout most of the 80s, the Russians, all use some form of democracy. So how can you say America has no culture when it has spread around the world?
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tniem
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Hope College
Apr 2000
time: 00:15
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Originally posted by Uffty
You said americans have culture...?
In my opinion, and thats only a opinion ok, I think a big part of a culture is represented by the language. Normally americans have no language (besides the hispanic or chinese, but they belong to other cultures). The language you use for communications is english, a little bit "raped" over the years and spoken way different than good old Londoners do.  |
So you believe language = culture. Well I believe that is your opinion and a misinformed one at that, so I went to a dictionary and got this:
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From Merriam-Webster Online
Main Entry: 1cul·ture
Pronunciation: 'k&l-ch&r
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French, from Latin cultura, from cultus, past participle
Date: 15th century
1 : CULTIVATION, TILLAGE
2 : the act of developing the intellectual and moral faculties especially by education
3 : expert care and training
4 a : enlightenment and excellence of taste acquired by intellectual and aesthetic training b : acquaintance with and taste in fine arts, humanities, and broad aspects of science as distinguished from vocational and technical skills
5 a : the integrated pattern of human knowledge, belief, and behavior that depends upon man's capacity for learning and transmitting knowledge to succeeding generations b : the customary beliefs, social forms, and material traits of a racial, religious, or social group c : the set of shared attitudes, values, goals, and practices that characterizes a company or corporation
6 : cultivation of living material in prepared nutrient media; also : a product of such cultivation |
I don't see language in there. Sorry, I guess that means to me at least culture has nothing to do with language.
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But anyway, you don't understand views from outside. |
Now let's talk about racism or sterotyping, which you brought up before. So, in your opinion because I am an American I don't understand or don't want to listen to views outside of my nation? How insulting.
I listened to what you had to say and totally disagreed with it. So I told you that. I have read countless threads of why the US should not be included in Civ III. And I have agreed with some. But to say the US has no culture or that Native Americans were all free spirits that worshipped trees all day is just plain wrong. And I am going to let you know that. If you don't like it then fine, don't read it.
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Let me put it so..Americans should be of course in the game, but Spanish shouldnt be have left out. Well after all, you can customize. |
Fine I have never said the Spanish should not be in the game. I also wish the Mongols were in as well. And in fact the Iroquois should not be in. But none of that leads to you saying that the US has no culture. Just because it is modern does not mean it is not culture. That very concept angers me.
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Draco aka Se7eN
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Waku your still being so silly, typical waku 
allow me to point out a few errors of yours, though i cant blame you for them, they are probably my fault.
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Why are you blaming us all the time then, perhaps to make the world to not to point at you |
By "you" are you refering to me personaly, if so i will explain why your foolish by saying this. But i think by "you" you are refering to americans since you say "perhaps to make the world not point at you" at the end of the statement, i doubt the world would point at me so i assume you mean America. Im sure there are many americans that regret what has happened in the past. To be fair there are those that dont regret it eaither for various reasons. I doubt that America would point out other countries past to draw attention away from our own. Maybe individuals do, i know i dont, but their is no denying what our ancesters have done in the past.
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I didn't mean to be accurate. 90%? How "much" in the american culture comes from indian customs. |
I can agree with you here, im sure that mexican culture is much more intertwined with indian culture than american but its definetly present in american culture, maybe not entirly noticable but its there. Just have to look for it.
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Pls make up your mind. You don't like me to accuse americans but you can freely accuse spanish . That's very hypocritical. |
This is probably why i wrote this reply in the first place, First off by "they" i meant Cortez's exploring party, though it was probably more like a raiding party(it would have to be to exterminate an entire civilization). I thought by saying "Looking at an entire civilization (nation, race, or whatever) that way is kinda racist" would give you the impression that by "they" i wasnt refering to Spain since i am, in fact, not a hypocrit. Assumption can be a tricky thing, as my Architectual Instructer would put it "When you assume you make an ASS out of U and ME"(in this case you should probably say this to me waku).
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Draco aka Se7eN
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what are you talking abuot waku, i was being sarcastic.
I think you should take your own advice, maybe you should assume more often. I was stating that i wasnt clear enough, obviously i still am not clear enough. I never said that you were not clear.
Perhaps you should reread what i said. If you still dont understand then just say so and i be more than happy to clerify.
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Only a civ can exterminate another civ (not even Cortés). |
I do believe having cannons, rifles and advanced military tactics compared to spears, rocks, daggers, and throwing axes would make the difference. So i doubt it would require an entire country or civilization to destry another under these circumstances.
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splangy
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of my own little kingdom...
Jun 2001
time: 00:15
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Originally posted by Uffty
I know most of you americans dont know where Europe or Africa is, neither do most of you know, that America has borders, but do you really think they have a bigger "cultural" aspect as the Spanish ?
Comments from educated minds ? |
[begin enraged rant]
fu ck you!  im an ammerican 12 year old and i know were europe is, in fact i enjoy studying europeon history, (yes, i am a dork) and im 12 !! Just becouse all your warped f ucking little propaganda over there says that americans are retarded dosen't meen it true scumbag [end enraged rant/]
i beleive americans are in becouse the game show the development of civilization, howwever it dosent show civilizations, otherwise many cultures like spainish one (witch i thank god is out of civ3, in my beleif there only impact was settling colonys, then having them revolt... wow )
wouldn't have been in civ 2, beouse just as easily as you could say america isn't a civilization, it came from to many civs to really be called a civ  but america is a great country that has developed its own culture, witch has influenced the world over, so they really cant be left out.
ps- if americans are all idiots, and were made up of spanish people largly, then i guess all spanish people are idiots, along with all blacks, english, french, german (my heritage) etc.. but your probably right, its not like we were the first civ to send a man to the moon, ohh wait, we are  *dumbass*
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kcsaff
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of Catan
Jul 2001
time: 23:15
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America should be included in Civ3, and for a good reason. Look at Civ3's tech tree for the modern age. How many of these techs and wonders were developed by Americans? How could Firaxis leave out a group that dominates 1/4 of the tech tree?
As for those who continue to argue USA has no culture, it is important to realize that American pop culture is certainly distinct. The fact that so many don't recognize it as "culture" validates its uniqueness; obviously it doesn't cater to the detractors' cultural values.
I do think Spain should have been in the16, maybe instead of France.
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16-08-2001 17:28
China civilized? Do you know what they eat?? I've been there. IMO they were/are not very civilized. Nowadays they just copy every single Western political idea.
What do they do then? Bark at eachother? j/k.
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