30-08-2001 21:06									#61
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When I was at GenCon, they were giving previews by someone at Firaxis. He stated in no uncertain terms that there is a CIA Headquarters small wonder that helps (or maybe allows) spying.

	30-08-2001 22:10									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Quarthinos When I was at GenCon, they were giving previews by someone at Firaxis. He stated in no uncertain terms that there is a CIA Headquarters small wonder that helps (or maybe allows) spying.

The Pentagon is already in, they should have made it KGB Headquarters. The US has enough wonders included, can't they even throw one in for the Russians?

	30-08-2001 23:01									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Quarthinos When I was at GenCon, they were giving previews by someone at Firaxis. He stated in no uncertain terms that there is a CIA Headquarters small wonder that helps (or maybe allows) spying.

'Small wonder' - you mean a minor wonder?

Having it as a minor wonder would make more sense. That way the US could have the CIA, the Ruskies KGB and the UK has MI6. It could be named something like 'Intelligence HQ'.

	31-08-2001 09:11									#64
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quote: The Pentagon is already in, they should have made it KGB Headquarters.

Nope, it's fine the way it is. The Pentagon was built for the Army, not a spy agency. A centralized control center for an army makes more sense for the effect it does than a headquarters for some snoops.

	31-08-2001 12:50									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Christantine The Great Nope, it's fine the way it is. The Pentagon was built for the Army, not a spy agency. A centralized control center for an army makes more sense for the effect it does than a headquarters for some snoops.

As far as I understand the point is not "The Pentagon vs KGB": the point is the large use of american (or west centric) name for small/main wonders, also when there are similar available in others area of the world (i.e. KGB vs CIA).

	31-08-2001 14:36									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Quarthinos When I was at GenCon, they were giving previews by someone at Firaxis. He stated in no uncertain terms that there is a CIA Headquarters small wonder that helps (or maybe allows) spying.

Added it to the list. Note that CIA stands for Central Intelligence Agency so the name is civ-neutral.

	31-08-2001 14:38									#67
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I remember reading somwhere, that all wonders from Civ2 will also be included in Civ3 in some capacity, though many will only make it as minor wonders and some will have their effects changed.

On top of the Civ2 wonders, I recall that the following will be included in some capacity:

internet
Pentagon
CIA

	31-08-2001 15:20									#68
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Remember that now we know that some minor wonders become available when you have achieved certain things (eg, coal and iron available in one city, first special unit, etc), so not all have a prerequisite tech per se.

	31-08-2001 18:18									#69
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quote: Originally posted by Ribannah Added it to the list. Note that CIA stands for Central Intelligence Agency so the name is civ-neutral.

Hmmm, not really Any other country define espionage with different "politically correct" name. We used "service" (in italian, of course) instead of "agency", no mention to "central", more relevance to military vs non-military status...

IIRC the USSR KGB stand for "Committee for State Security".

Better use a real neutral name as "Intelligence Department"

	31-08-2001 18:22									#70
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Ribbanah-

I don't think that the Tower of Babel is a wonder. That picture alone is not evidence of anything since it is the picture that is being used as a promotion for the entire civ game and does not represent one wonder. Also that picture doesn't resemble the Tower of Babel. That was merely Breugel's title for his painting which was more allegorical than realistic. Finally what attributes would the tower have? Reaching heaven? The Tower is an impossible wonder since it was never completed and its construction brought the DEstruction of the empire that built it. I would be nervous that a deity would strike my civ down for the impertinence of building a tower to reach heaven. So, will you take it off the list?

	01-09-2001 01:13									#71
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It would be nice if the small wonders which needed it are customized per civivilization. So the americans can found their CIA and the russians their KGB. The americans their pentagon etc. The french their Notre Dame, the english their Westminster Abbey, etc. In a lot of cases the same imagery could be used. But it would be even nicer when the imagery also depended on the civ, when the city view would be a surprise every time you play another civ.

	06-09-2001 03:51									#72
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Initial post updated.
After all this time, we still don't know what strange wonder comes with Monarchy!

	06-09-2001 08:06									#73
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check out the lower right corner of this screen for confirmation of the Grand Cathedral Minor wonder...if you have really good eyes you can make out a city building the Great University minor wonder in the city screen as well.
http://moonpies0.tripod.com/minorwonders.jpg

Last edited by monkspider on 06-09-2001 at 08:37

	06-09-2001 09:52									#74
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From the new civ3 movie:

The pyramids
The hanging gardens
The colossus
The great lighthouse
The great library
The oracle
The great wall
Art of War (?)
Sistine chapel
great observatory

All shown in the wonders of the world view.

	06-09-2001 09:54									#75
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Wow, Sun Tzu's Art of War is a wonder??? I like it!

	06-09-2001 13:32									#76
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monkspider:The link you gave doesn't seem to work.
got this message:

quote: This file is hosted by Tripod, a Lycos®Network Site, and is not available for download. Please check out Tripod's Help system for more information about Remote Loading and our Remote Loading policy.

hope =>

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	06-09-2001 21:28									#77
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sorry about that Shade
i tried at 11:18 (central time!) this morning and it seemed to work, i'm guessing the server must have been down when you tried it.
It should work now!

	06-09-2001 21:46									#78
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Here's another something for your list Rib
The confirmation of a SETI program wonder, check out the lower right hand corner
http://www.civfanatics.com/civ3imag...rimson/snap.jpg

	06-09-2001 21:51									#79
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It's been mentioned somewhere that the Pentagon is what allows the construction of spies. I would guess that the "CIA Headquarters" is actually the Pentagon.

	06-09-2001 22:00									#80
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Rib, you also still have heroic epic and Ironworks as unconfirmed, so here's your confirmation
http://moonpies0.tripod.com/mwtext.jpg
that should bring you mostly up to date

	06-09-2001 22:20									#81
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That's a Tripod file, I can't load it ...

	06-09-2001 22:24									#82
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man, i had the very same problem with Geocities! Are there any free web hosts that actually allow you to link to pictures?

	06-09-2001 22:41									#83
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tell me if these work
http://monkspider.freeservers.com/minorwonders.jpg
for Grand Cathedral
http://monkspider.freeservers.com/mwtext.jpg
for heroic epic and Ironworks
http://www.civfanatics.com/civ3imag...rimson/snap.jpg
for SETI program

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Thanks, these do work. I'll add the SETI Program to the list

	07-09-2001 02:07									#85
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thx those last links worked perfect.
(tripod == )


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	08-09-2001 00:55									#86
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From the new developer update,

Wall street
and, SDI

Both are small wonders (apparently "minor wonder" is no longer used.

Small wonders have requirements attatched to them to build, such as wall street requiring 5 banks.

	08-09-2001 01:11									#87
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The developer update also confirms hoover dam as a great wonder, which doesn't seem to be in the list here yet?

	08-09-2001 03:01									#88
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Ribannah,

There's a typo in the URL for the monarchy wonder. You have it as .../civ3_screen003.jpg, but it's really .../civ3_screen002.jpg that has monarchy on it.

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quote: Originally posted by Rhysie The developer update also confirms hoover dam as a great wonder, which doesn't seem to be in the list here yet?

Nope! Not a word (but you have already checked by yourself now, haven't you?)

But THERE IS a pacific way to gain a Golden Age! By building Wonders that fit with Special Attribute of Civ (now also wonders have categories that match Special as Militaristic, Commercial, Industrious etc.

It seems I'll end eating most of my early words about the lack of new features in game...

	08-09-2001 03:53									#90
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quote: Originally posted by Adm.Naismith Nope! Not a word (but you have already checked by yourself now, haven't you?)

I'd checked before I posted, I just put it as a question rather than a statement to make sure I didn't sound like I was criticising its absence