14-08-2001 03:22									#31
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I wish they'd include the Channel Tunnel - if that ain't a modern accomplishment, I don't know what is.

	14-08-2001 03:26									#32
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Looking at Monarchy and Steam Engine provides a clue that Monarchy enables you to build a wonder. Mysticism will again be where you will be able to build the Oracle.

Does anybody have any idea what the object is that is being Xed out in the flight tech? Where does that object originate from (what tech)? Did flight do any cancellations on wonders in Civ2, I don't remember?

	14-08-2001 03:45									#33
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By looking at the Space Flight tech I see a moon, this could possibly mean the Apollo Program wonder is in. Also in the Genetics tech there is a building shown. This building could be a wonder, maybe the Cure For Cancer wonder again.

	14-08-2001 03:52									#34
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quote: Originally posted by TechWins Does anybody have any idea what the object is that is being Xed out in the flight tech? Where does that object originate from (what tech)? Did flight do any cancellations on wonders in Civ2, I don't remember?

The wonder in question is Colossus, which can be built after Bronze Working... and its effect seems to be cancelled by Flight as it was in Civ2.

	14-08-2001 04:46									#35
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There is also a building under the "Literature" tech that gets X-ed out when Electricity comes along.

Just drumming up support for the GL... I have a love/hate relationship with the GL...

	14-08-2001 04:51									#36
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about that collusol screenshot didnt any of you notice the statue of liberty is a woman, but that clearly is a man.?

	14-08-2001 05:10									#37
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That big round temple thing in the forest. I reckon that is the Oracle. Why you may ask?

If you look at the advance of mysticism (check out Snapcase's thread http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=24465 ) and then the building associated (which I believe to be the oracle). Then look at the city view with the big round temple in it (don't know the link). You will see the resemblance immediately. Therefore I reckon this is the Oracle...

	14-08-2001 06:12									#38
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I too think Mysticism will provide you the ability to build the Oracle.

Has anybody from the tech tree pics seen any evidence of the following:
Sun Tzu's War Academy?
Manhattan Project?
Trading Company?
Has anbyody seen where these wonders might be built at:
Hanging Gardens?
Sistine Chapel?
Great Canal?
Internet?
Solar System?

So far we have gathered evidence and proof of these wonders:
Pyramids
Great Wall
Collusus
Lighthouse
Hanging Gardens
Sistine Chapel
Great Canal
Internet
Solar System
Great Library
Apollo Program
Trading Company?
Copernicus' Oberservatory?
Sun Tzu's War Academy?
Manhattan Project?

	14-08-2001 11:29									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Ralf That " Cleopatra, as an black african queen on the other hand...

Why, you considering here as a wonder?
I just don't get why she has a white woman shape of face and black color... Didn't she was as Arabs or something close?!


Other little thing: is the Louvre anywhere in wonders?!
It was so much renowned that many countries tryed to copy it.

	14-08-2001 13:16									#40
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quote: Originally posted by TechWins Has anybody from the tech tree pics seen any evidence of the following: Sun Tzu's War Academy? Manhattan Project? Trading Company? Has anbyody seen where these wonders might be built at: Hanging Gardens? Sistine Chapel? Great Canal? Internet? Solar System?

I think the building/wonder (since it is on green background) associated with Fission is the Manhattan Project, especially since it seems to have a picture virtually identical to the Manhattan Project in Civ 2 city view

And I would say that some of the four units introduced by Rocketry or Space Flight would be nuclear weapons.

	14-08-2001 14:57									#41
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Is this the Hanging Gardens?

	14-08-2001 20:33									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison If you ask me, building the solar system is a colossal feat of construction

Yep that always confused me a bit as well. Unless you get to visit Magrathea rather than Alpha Centauri

Hey, just spotted - I'm a Chieftain. Yay!


Rich

	14-08-2001 21:24									#43
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Ribannah- I know that you're methodical, so I was wondering if there's any possibility of us including the evidence for these wonders so we don't create a list based on speculation and wishful thinking.

So far we have gathered evidence and proof of these wonders:

1. Pyramids (http://gamespot.com/gamespot/filter...4261-52,00.html)
2. Great Wall (http://gamespot.com/gamespot/filter...4261-53,00.html)
3. Collusus (http://gamespot.com/gamespot/filter...4261-53,00.html)
4. Lighthouse (http://gamespot.com/gamespot/filter...4261-53,00.html)
5. The Oracle (http://gamespot.com/gamespot/filter...4261-51,00.html)
6. Sistine Chapel (http://gamespot.com/gamespot/filter...4261-47,00.html)
. Pentagon - This may or may not be a wonder (http://apolyton.net/civ3/images/vie...rev_33689_f.jpg)
. Trading Company - This may or may not be a wonder(http://gamespot.com/gamespot/filter...4261-47,00.html)

These are unconfirmed:

Great Canal
Hanging Gardens
Internet
Solar System
Great Library
Apollo Program
Copernicus' Oberservatory
Sun Tzu's War Academy
Manhattan Project

I have no idea about the Major/Minor Wonder factor here, which hasn't been discussed in a while, but it's something to keep in mind. I say first we establish the wonders then we'll worry about which ones are unique and which can be replicated.

	15-08-2001 02:36									#44
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ok here is what i see

Bronze working: Collosus (obsolete: flight)
Masonry: Pyramids
Mysticism: Oracle (obsolete: theology)
Literature: Great Library (obsolete: electricity)
Map Making: Lighthouse (obsolete: magnetism)
Construction: Great Wall (obsolete: metallurgy)
Monarchy: unknown (obsolete: steam power)
Scientific Method: Darwin's Voyage
Space Flight: Apollo Program
Genetics: Cure for Cancer
Integrated Defense: SDI

i put thumbs up besides the ones that are almost certainly in the game from the screen shots

	15-08-2001 03:23									#45
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There is a school of thought that thinks that the Hanging Gardens never existed at all per se but was rather a description of the beauty of Babylon in general. So perhaps SMAC has followed this example and removed the wonder. I have seen no evidence that it is included in the game at all, and there is nothing under the pottery advance to show that it exists, nor any other advance.

	15-08-2001 05:26									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison So perhaps SMAC has followed this example and removed the wonder.

SMAC? Do you mean anything different from Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri, or are you spending way too many times at the keyboard?

	15-08-2001 07:12									#47
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I have seen plenty of evidence proving that the Hanging Gardens is a wonder. Just look at this screenshot. As you can alos tell the Great Library is going to be a wonder.

In some old screenshot I also the building of the Great Cathedral, this may or not be a wonder I'm not sure.

	15-08-2001 10:50									#48
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Don't you think that a building with a swords on the roof could be a Sun Tzu's War Academy?

I saw it on http://www.civ3.com/gallery.cfm?startimg=13 .

It's upper right picture.

What else could it be?

	15-08-2001 11:24									#49
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quote: Originally posted by korn469 Bronze working: Collosus (obsolete: flight) Masonry: Pyramids Mysticism: Oracle (obsolete: theology) Literature: Great Library (obsolete: electricity) Map Making: Lighthouse (obsolete: magnetism) Construction: Great Wall (obsolete: metallurgy) Monarchy: unknown (obsolete: steam power) Scientific Method: Darwin's Voyage Space Flight: Apollo Program Genetics: Cure for Cancer Integrated Defense: SDI

I would agree with all of these pretty much but would add the following which I have posted in http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=24545

I came up with these by looking at the tech tree and seeing what city improvements each tech had. Then using the old Civ II tree and what we have heard I placed the stuff in either wonders or city improvement lists. This is what I came up with.

Theology: J.S. Bach's Cathedral
Astronomy: Copernicus' Observatory
Theory of Gravity: Issac Newton's College
Electronics: Hoover's Dam
Fission: Manhattan Project
Computers: SETI Program or the Internet

Would also add that the Genetics wonder may be human cloning or the human genome project and not a cure for cancer. And I am not sure the Monarchy one is actually a wonder. Oh well.

	15-08-2001 11:47									#50
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quote: Originally posted by TechWins If you look at the Astronomy tech real close it appears as if a building of some sort is there. Possbibly Copernicus' Observatory

Or possibly "Solar System", the Wonder I mentioned a while back in this thread?

	15-08-2001 12:32									#51
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That trading company is taking quite a long time for such a big city, so it probably is a wonder... And on a related, but not really that related subject - Any hope of the Collosus falling over once you get flight?

	15-08-2001 13:18									#52
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Initial post updated
Keep up the good work!

	15-08-2001 17:08									#53
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KH I think you may be right.

quote: And I am not sure the Monarchy one is actually a wonder

It's diffently a wonder because it becomes obsolete.

quote: J.S. Bach's Cathedral

This could be the Sistine Chapel.

quote: Don't you think that a building with a swords on the roof could be a Sun Tzu's War Academy?

That's not so much of the speculation, that building could have been created from a great leader or it could be a wonder. Nobody knows for sure, except Firaxis of course.

	15-08-2001 21:06									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Nenad Don't you think that a building with a swords on the roof could be a Sun Tzu's War Academy? I saw it on http://www.civ3.com/gallery.cfm?startimg=13 . It's upper right picture. What else could it be?

I would guess that this was a barracks or military academy. Wonders (at least the major ones) seem appear outside of the city walls in all of the screen shots, so I don't think that this is Sun Tzu's Academy.

	15-08-2001 21:10									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Nenad Don't you think that a building with a swords on the roof could be a Sun Tzu's War Academy? I saw it on http://www.civ3.com/gallery.cfm?startimg=13 . It's upper right picture. What else could it be?

I would guess that this was a barracks or military academy. Wonders (at least the major ones) seem to appear only outside of the city walls in all of the screen shots, so I don't think that this is Sun Tzu's Academy.

	16-08-2001 02:52									#56
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While these might not be wonders, how come in the modern age tech screenshot, the space techs that in Civ2 provided spaceship parts have several pictures with blue blackgrounds. Has the spaceship been expanded, or do these boxes also open up the other vicotry conditions like culture and diplomacy as well?

	16-08-2001 02:53									#57
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dp, sorry

	16-08-2001 04:12									#58
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the solar system is a wonder PROBABLY UNDER ASTRONOMY, i saw a city building it... looking for screen.

THE MANHATTAN PROJECT IS IN. GOD DAMMIT PEOPLE. THAT IS NOT AN A-BOMB UNDER FISSION, IT IS A MANHATTAN PROJECT MEMORIAL.

UNITS ARE ALL ON WHITE BACKGROUNDS. PLEASE NOTICE THAT THE BOMB IS ON GRASS. AS ARE ALL STRUCTURES. HERE

that anger gone... back on track.

Leonardo's Workshop. There IS a building under Invention.

and railroads come with Steam Power i see (orange orb)

	16-08-2001 12:12									#59
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Confirmation/evidence for SDI, Apollo, Manhattan Project, Grand Canal, Great Wall, the Internet:

Wonders of the World are as important as ever. We have all the Civ II ones, a couple of new ones, some that are old and function in new ways and a brand new set that we call "small wonders". While you can only construct one of each Wonder of the World, small wonders can be built by every civilisation, such as the Strategic Defence Initiative, Apollo programme and Manhattan Project.

...

The Great Canal is one of the new Wonders in the game. When you build that, you can choose a place on the map and connect two oceans, so it's like the Panama Canal. You can charge a fee for using it. We also have the Great Wall, which is an old Wonder, but now you can choose a section of your border and you get a wall that is really hard for someone to get through. We have another great Wonder, the Internet, but we're not sure exactly how that's going to function. We know it's got something to do with education, it will create a smart populace, but apart from that we're stumped.


(GameSpot interview with Jeff Briggs -- http://www.gamespot.co.uk/stories/i...86185-2,00.html)

	30-08-2001 15:26									#60
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Updated with small wonders