15-12-1999 11:05									#1
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Finish my new game and I blasted the old record. I landed in 1075 AD this time.
Big differences vs previous scores. Much better location for science city with 4 trade special. 1 continent: I was able to meet all the Ai quickly and get a lot of tribute.
I have a more detail log file than the other one:
3450 monarchy
3250 in monarchy
2600 meet japonese 50 g
2300 writting
2200 J:25g
2150 meet chinese 50 g
2100 HR
1800 Chin 50 g
1700 meet indian 100g
1650 Jap 50 g massonery
1600 myst republic from hut
1450 chin 50 g
1400 meet spanish 100 g
1350 poly
1250 chinese 50g
1150 philo monoth ind 25g
1050 J 25g S 25 g
950-825 S25,25g J 50g
850 math
825-800 S 50, 50g C 25, 25g
675 C 50g
600 S 50g Cart 250 g
525 J 100 g Cart iron working
500 C 50g
475 I 25 g
450 cart Map mak
400-275 300 g in tribute
B250 wheel 100 g
B225 50g
B200 150g
B175 eng 100g
B 100 inv 75 g
B50 50g
B25 Democracy in democracy (3t/T)
A1 (2t/T)
A20 chem
A 60 G pow
A 100 San
A140 expl
A200 sea F (hut) feud
A240 theol
A280 BB
A300 Nav
A 340 phys
360 econ
380 magn
420 metal(1t/T)
480 refrig
500 chival
540Steam eng
600 rail road
620 indus
640 steel
660 tact
680 corp
700 refinn
720 electron
760 autom
780 miniat
800 mob war
820 Mas prod
840 comput
860nuc fis
880nuc power flight
900 laser
920 radio
940 Adv flight
960 rocket
980 robot
1000 space flight
1020 plast
1040 sup cond
1060 fus pow stealth launch Space ship
1075 land
480

	15-12-1999 13:24									#2
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WOW

Do you have a wonder timetable?

Any numbers on that science city?What specials?

How many trade routes?approx

How many cities?

Any ai problems to speak of?

Congrats...AWESOME

	15-12-1999 17:34									#3
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I second Smash's WOW!

More questions:
How many free techs did you start with (Monarchy in -3450??)?

Did you build an overseas city for intercontinental trading, or trade with the AIs?

How many techs from the AIs?

	15-12-1999 21:09									#4
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Wow, that's great. And I would also like to know the answers to Dave's and Smash's questions.

	16-12-1999 10:09									#5
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You're Huge!

I guess I can quit my game in the 1700s now...




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	16-12-1999 10:56									#6
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Great job! I guess I will just take my crummy old 1720 landing and go home.

PS: Do you have a 4000bc saved file for this game? Mind sharing it?

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	16-12-1999 03:01									#7
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Couple answears before I leave on vaccation:
starting techs: alph BW cer bur
early pathway : cod law->monar->pot
I was very close to the 4 special to begin with. 2 wine 1 whale 1wheat(->silk).
I have a 3950BC saved game that I can transmit through icq.
I forgot to write down year of complition of wonders but by reviewing the saved games, here is some info
start HG ~2350
~B1350 have finished HG granary buiding libr
B850 finished MC start collos 19beackers
B225 finished pyr collos cop obs 88beackers
B25 isaak finished 120beak@70% (in demo)
A20 size 8 150beak@70%
A240 size 14 234@60% shaksp built, leo 3/4
A 400 JSB 3/4
A 600 size 23(final size) 492@60%
A720 594@80%
A800 942@100%
A840finished seti
A860 1024@80% (1240@100%)
did not built darwin
#trade routes: many many many(>>40) 95% from science city to AI cities matching demand/supply

only 2-3 sneak attacks from AI (lost 1 city 2 settlers) used the give all tech to AI strategy until rail road tactics
final # of cities 66.

	16-12-1999 03:44									#8
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arii:
If you could send me the 3950bc file before going on vacation I would be grateful. My e-mail and ICQ are in my profile, and both are good. (Maybe easier to use e-mail, since I dont remember if I already have you on ICQ.) Thanx.
[This message has been edited by Adam Smith (edited December 15, 1999).]

	16-12-1999 05:09									#9
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arii - a great accomplishment.

By my calculations, you landed on turn 168. Had you launched a faster SS (say a 5-yr SS) in AD 1100 (2 turns later than your launch), you could have landed in 1105 but on turn 160. (due to the fact that turns change to 1-year increments once the ship is launched).

I therefore propose that all 'earliest landing' records be reported in Turns as well as year. As reference points, in Emperor/Deity, 1000AD = turn 150; 1500 = turn 175; 1750 = turn 200.

	16-12-1999 09:59									#10
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On that progress chart it looks like he got tons of money form the AI, HOW? when I demand trubute the declare war and kill me. HELP!

And just a little question, about when do you guys start improving terrian?

	17-12-1999 00:46									#11
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Genghis Al,

I've never had much luck extorting tribute from AIs on other continents, so small map is a good start. The other key is to have *lots* of military units.

If you've never tried an ICS (infinite cities sleaze) style game, it would be educational to try it. A thumbnail sketch: don't build any improvements in your cities; just settlers, warriors, horsemen, diplos, and boats (if necessary). Once your cities grow to size 2, put the workers on high-shield squares so you can produce a settler ASAP (and so they don't grow into disorder). Keep cities happy with warriors early, Hanging Gardens mid-game, and Statue of Liberty aided early Communism or Fundamentalism in the endgame. Research goals are Monarchy, then Democracy.

You'll rocket to the top of the power graph and stay there. The AIs will be astonishingly cooperative.

	27-12-1999 06:38									#12
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Is the OCC challenge or is this jsut a record for a landing... Just wondered !!!

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	22-01-2001 01:31									#13
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BUMP!!!

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	22-01-2001 18:47									#14
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WOW
(of course, since it's almost heartbreaking to have a look at your results).
May I ask 3 questions (apart from those asked by Smash and Dave): deity? random map? what size?

	22-01-2001 20:41									#16
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Has been quite some time since that game. It was 7civ deity small random map. Surprise that nobody has beaten that since then.

	23-01-2001 17:48									#17
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Don't be surprised arii. It seems to me that you are far ahead (at least ahead of me... and Adam Smith... and many others).
I bow again.

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	24-01-2001 08:31									#18
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That IS quite a record arii, but I am convinced it can be beaten. Thanks for the challenge.

	25-01-2001 10:58									#19
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I am having an extremely lucky game, but i dont think i will get to AC earlier than about 1300. its definately gonna smash my old record. (1536)

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	25-01-2001 17:45									#20
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Consider this as a deleted reply.. (why can't I delete my own posts for real?)

Didn't realized that this thread was originated from year 1999.
[This message has been edited by Marko_Polo (edited March 17, 2001).]