14-08-2001 23:17									#1
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I have been quite curious looking at the City View screens as to what some of the city improvements actually are. I began last week taking screen shots of the city view and cutting out the different improvements. I then named each file my guess as to what improvement was.

Now that the new tech tree has been released I felt that I would be able to find out what most of the shown buildings are and make a list of all remaining improvements. So here is my list of what each improvement/wonder is with the required tech and screen shot if available.

Please comment on what you think I am missing or what some of the unknown pics are. I will try to update this as much as possible. Hopefully this does not take too long to download.


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List v 1.2.1 - Switched JS Bach and the Sistine Chapel
List v 1.2 - Made some changes that were suggested. Added Minor Wonder title to a few.
List v 1.1 - Made changes, fixed broken picture links.
List v 1.0 - Initial Work and Release

Key:
Building (Tech) - Picture, comments

Everything should now work. Let me know if it doesn't and hopefully the pics do not take to long to download.


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City Improvements:

Barracks (None) -


Granary (Pottery) -


Temple (Ceremonial Burial) -

The second image is believed to be a temple from an Ancient American culture due to this screen shot - http://www.pczone.co.uk/guest/rev_p...ev_33692_f.jpg. Look in the Improvements box. The third pic used to be under Galileo's Observatory but now the argument is that it is a Greek or Roman temple.

City Walls (Masonry) -
Any city view screen shot.

Court House (Code of Laws) -


I had originally thought that this shot was of the university - hence its name. But looking at the tech tree this appears to be the courthouse in Civ III.

Library (Literature) -


Harbor (Map Making) -


Aqueduct (Construction) -


Colisseum (Construction) -


It is the belief of most people that the stadium (third pic) is a modern colisseum. It seems to make sense except for the image I attached below that shows both a colisseum and a stadium in the same city screen. The rational in including it here is that the pic with both of them together is simply concept art because there were no houses in the city screen.

Marketplace (Currency) -


??? (Monarcy) -
Palace?

University/School (Education) -




The rest of them we have not seen a pic in the screen shot but the reason I believe they are in is from the tech trees.

Bank (Banking)
Coastal Fortress (Metallurgy)
Factory (Industralization)
Sewer System (Sanitation)
Police Station (Communism)
Airport (Flight)
Hydro Plant (Electronics)
Recycling Plant (Recycling)
SAM Missile Battery (Rocketry)
Research Lab (Computers)
Nuclear Plant (Nuclear Power)


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Wonders:

Colossus (Bronze Working) -
Picture not included to save space.

Pyramids (Masonry)
Picture not included to save space

Great Wall (Masonry) -
Same as Colossus and Pyramids

Oracle (Mysticism) -


Great Library (Literature) -


Lighthouse (Map Making) -


Sistine Chapel (Theology) -


Change made in v 1.2.1


J.S. Bach's Cathedral (Music Theory) -


Change made in v 1.2.1


Copernicus Observatory/Solar System (Asronomy) -
Used to have the third temple picture as Galileo's Observatory but have made the change as evidence showed that it was instead a civ specific temple. Now the debate ravages which of the two will be the wonder included.


Isaac Newton's College -
Theory of Gravity has another wonder - same place Civ II put Newton's College

??? / Darwin's Voyage (Scientific Method) -
New tech has wonder. It has a pic that appears to be a smaller monkey changing to a man. Seem to be the place they put Darwin's Voyage instead of the old Railroad.

Hoover's Dam (Electronics) -
Electronics has two improvements in Civ III the same as Civ II. Seems like Hoover is coming back

Manhattan Project (Fission) MINOR WONDER. -
This city improvement is just an atom bomb on the tech tree pic.

SETI Program/Internet (Computers) -
Computer has a wonder that is hard to decipher what it is. Giving what was in Civ II (SETI) but early interviews show that the Internet would be in the game.

Apollo Program (Space Flight) MINOR WONDER. -

Could it be this?

Strategic Defense Initiative (Integrated Defense) MINOR WONDER.-
Interviews show this is in the game as a Minor Wonder.

Great Canal ( ? ) -
Did not see anything in the Tech Tree to indicate this. But interviews have said it is in.


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Techs with City Improvents, Unknown what they are:

Monotheism
Feudalism
Invention (Leonardo's Workshop in Civ 2)
Free Artistry
2 for Industrializations (Possibility of Women's Suffrage and another)
Espionage
Radio
2 for Genetics (one the human genome ?, the other cloning ?)


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Screen Images that are Unknown as to what they are:




Have seen inside of screenshots a couple times this grouping of houses inside a wall. Is it a city improvement? Or is it just art that fills in the City View screen?




Take a guess




Much discussion. Maybe a minor wonder? Others think it may be an American/modern barracks.




Very likely the wonder/improvement from Feudalism. Does not answer what exactly it is, though, does it?




Guessing a palace. But have only seen it once. Is it going to be in every capital city? Many propose it is the Hagia Sophia, a temple for certain civs.


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Note: Synthetic Fibers, Laser, Satallites, Superconductor, and Space Flight all seem to contribute to building modules for the space ship.

Thanks in advance to those that have added input or made changes to this list.

Last edited by tniem on 18-08-2001 at 01:31

	15-08-2001 00:07									#2
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Wow great work! Could you add your wonder stuff to the wonder thread already going?

Also I'm having toruble seeing the pics so I can't really respond. It says site not available for viewing....

	15-08-2001 00:42									#3
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Yep, same here .... "Page not available for viewing"

	15-08-2001 00:48									#4
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It appears to me that Geocities blocks me from just linking an image, I will fix it tonight when I get back from work, sorry about that.

	15-08-2001 01:16									#5
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Re: The Stadium- In the last Ask the Civ Team they confirmed that improvements would look different in each age. Also notice the two granaries/silos in the same screenshot, and that the Stadium is not linked to any tech. The only remaining possibility is that it's the modern version of an older improvement, probably the collosseum.

P.S. Get off GeoCities. If you're comfortable with FTP I suggest www.f2s.com as a fast, reliable, and feature-complete alternative.

	15-08-2001 02:02									#6
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Geocities no longer allows linking to images, which is both why the images are not showing and why the links don't work.

Stinks, doesn't it?

You'll need to find a new host.... though I don't know of any, sorry.


But untill then, the links should work if you cut and paste it into your browser.

	15-08-2001 10:52									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Snapcase P.S. Get off GeoCities. If you're comfortable with FTP I suggest www.f2s.com as a fast, reliable, and feature-complete alternative.

Thanks. I went to Geocities because my first server was not working this morning for whatever reason. Osweld, I thought the links would work but alas they did not. But now I have gone back to hosting it on the http://www.timfryreport.com because it is working again. Hopefully this site won't overload my bandwith for the month

quote: Re: The Stadium- In the last Ask the Civ Team they confirmed that improvements would look different in each age. Also notice the two granaries/silos in the same screenshot, and that the Stadium is not linked to any tech. The only remaining possibility is that it's the modern version of an older improvement, probably the collosseum.

I would definitely agree with you except the pic I attached from PC Gamer shows both the Colisseum and the Stadium (?) in the same screen shot. Of course because it is an older pic, it might just be concept art but for now I am going to leave as is.

	16-08-2001 12:58									#8
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I think that last picture is the Hagia Sophia museum (formerly used by the Turks as a mosque, but originally a church built by the Byzantines) in Istanbul (now it's Constantinople, now it's Istanbul - it's nobody's business but the Turks...).

Maybe it's a Greek cathedral?

Check it out here:

http://www.princeton.edu/~asce/const_95/ayasofya.html

	16-08-2001 13:52									#9
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maya/inca-related wonder


the pentagon?


Hagia Sophia

	16-08-2001 14:16									#10
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quote: Originally posted by tniem Hoped that the tech tree would help on this riddle. No idea.

It is a later version of the Colosseum

quote: Some type of tower. Don't believe it is the Hanging Gardens as there is only the granary under Pottery. Could however be the improvement under Monarchy.

It is another temple check this screen (in the box showing all buildings).

quote: Take a guess

Supermarket?

Sorry for the short post, my keyboard hang up so I had to write this using the mouse

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Yeah, the Central American tower/temple thing is just the different cultures temple. I presume in the west it will look like a church, Central America like one of these, Far Eastern like some kind of pagoda or something and be a ziggurat in the ancient middle eastern ones...

	16-08-2001 20:54									#12
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I think that the watery area within the city walls with docks is definitely a harbor.

I think that we have seen three types of temples, the pagoda temple from the first post, an Arabic temple from the second and the Chichen-Itza lookalike from the third. I think that these reflect the cultural differences between the civs. Each gets its own style of building.

	16-08-2001 23:21									#13
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Great work!

Do you notice how the little Library graphic is reused to become the University, and then the Great Library?

I thought for a moment that the unknown improvement might be a sanitation system (it looks like one), but the sanitation improvement shown in the tech tree is a single building, so it must be a harbour (the harbour shown in the tech tree is a little obscured).

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	17-08-2001 01:21									#14
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Good job... keep up the good work

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quote: It is another temple check this screen (in the box showing all buildings).

Nice catch. Thanks.

quote: I think that the watery area within the city walls with docks is definitely a harbor.

I agree with you and so I have made the change to the list.

quote: Good job... keep up the good work

Thank you. I think I have caught up. Keep the ideas coming. And as more news comes I will make the changes.

And Mark, thanks for putting this in the news section. Was great to see that my work at least will be viewed by a few people.

	17-08-2001 04:16									#16
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That cathedral looks like the Notredame de Paris .. Is it a wonder , because it looks like the real thing , or is it just the building of a cathedral ?

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Hey I recall hearing that each civilization would have city views that were related to that civ. If htat is true some of the things above might be the same thing but for different civilizations. Especially the temples...I think the hagia sophia could be one such case. The michelangelo like building could be a university or could be a cathedral... a long time after I posted on apolyton man it feels good to be back.

	17-08-2001 06:06									#18
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Looks good some of the pics seem to be early middle late . The first granary may middle and the pic under may be late.

	17-08-2001 09:37									#19
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I agree with darkknight - I'm willing to bet that this picture is just an earlier Barracks.

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This has been downloaded 1969 time(s).

	17-08-2001 12:16									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Osweld Geocities no longer allows linking to images, which is both why the images are not showing and why the links don't work. Stinks, doesn't it? You'll need to find a new host.... though I don't know of any, sorry. But untill then, the links should work if you cut and paste it into your browser.

Just FYI -- you can use Geocities, but then you have to put a space after the URL after you've clicked the link. So if it's http://geocities/foo/bar.gif, then you click on that link and it will say 'not found' and then you go back to the address bar and manually add a space at the end and hit return/enter.

	17-08-2001 12:21									#21
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[QUOTE] Originally posted by MarkG

the pentagon?

No doubt, that can only be the pentagon.

But what is a Minor wonder ? Are there major wonders ? What are the differences ?

	17-08-2001 15:18									#22
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It's my first post so pliz be cool.

The difference between Minor and Major Wonder is subtle:

A Major Wonder can be build once in all game and by only one Civ,
like in Civ2 or CTP.

As for a Minor Wonder, it can be build once in all game too, but each civ can build is one, even if a civ has already built it.

Understand?

	17-08-2001 16:54									#23
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I think the picture below the granary is a granary actually or a food silo

	17-08-2001 17:03									#24
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tniem: I must question your selection of picture you used for J.S.Bach's cathedral. If you ask me, that looks more like what I would have expected the Great Library to look like...

	17-08-2001 17:34									#25
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That pentagon thing would be that minor wonder (forgotten its name): Combined Defense initiative or something like that.

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quote: Copernicus Observatory (Asronomy) -

Hmm, I can't get the pic, but what you have as Copernicus' Observatory is more likely a Roman temple, or even the Pantheon itself. After all, the Western civs need a temple too, right?

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	17-08-2001 18:17									#27
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Most interesting list, tniem!

I've only one thing to add: The image you listed as being the University improvement seems to be the same as that of the Great Library wonder. Now surely it can only be one of them, most likely the University.

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quote: Very likely the wonder/improvement from Feudalism. Does not answer what exactly it is, though, does it?

I have no idea what this building represents in the game. But near Bagdad Saddam Husseyn has erected a monument almost exactly like this one, to commemorate Iraki soldiers. I would assume that the graphics designers have a rather odd sense of humour and that it will be used as a graphic for a wonder/improvement from feudalism.

Or, Firaxis could have one of the following suprises in store for us:
-Saddam Husseyn will be the Greatest of the Great Leaders, the only one that deserves to have his own statue.
-It could be a minor 'Manhattan Project', allowing you to build biological weapons that you can unleash on your unsuspecting population.
-It is the 'Hail Saddam!' improvement, the ultimate cultural improvement that you can build, to give the glorious Iraki Civilisation its rightful place in the game.
-You can name an upcoming battle the 'Mother of all Battles', then, if manage to get your arse utterly kicked, your people celebrate your glorious victory by erecting this monument in your honour.

	17-08-2001 19:40									#29
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Might as well supply a link: Irak4Ever

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I'm a newbie but was looking at stuff from the tech tree per advance:

Bronze Working:Phalanx:Colossus
Masonry:Odd blank,Great Wall?,Pyramids
Alphabet:
Pottery:Granary
The Wheel:Chariot
Warrior Code:Some unit maybe Archer??
Ceremonial Burial:Temple
Iron Working:Legion?
Mathematics:Catapult
Writing:
Mysticism:Oracle
Philosophy:
Code of Laws:Courthouse
Literature:Library?,Great Library
Map Making:Galley type thing(Trireme?):Some improvement (Harbour?):Lighthouse
Horseback Riding:Horsemen type unit
Polytheism:
Construction:Aqueduct,Colosseum:Build Fortress Command
Currency:Marketplace
The Republic:
Monarchy:Some weird improvement

Monotheism:A big temple? Cathedral type thing I guess (varies with culture like the Temple)
Feudalism:Pikeman:Some war memorial type thing
Engineering:Looks like a build tree command... maybe plant forest?
Theology:Sistine?, something Oracle-looking
Chivalry:Fat Knight?
Invention:Looks like an archer so maybe the Warrior Code unit is different? Leonardos maybe for the building?
Printing Press:
Music Theory:JS Bach?
Education:School/Uni I guess
Gunpowder:Musketeers that look like Telescopes
Free Artistry:Some sort of Workshop?
Democracy:
Banking:Bank (duh!)
Astronomy:Galleon type ship, Copernicus
Chemistry:
Metallurgy:Cannon and a better city wall?
Economics:
Navigation:Little explorer bloke?
Physics:
Theory of Gravity:Isaac Newton?
Magnetism:Three ships and a Lighthouse type thing
Military Tradition:Better Knights?

Nationalism: EVIL partisans (I hope they act different in this version!)
Steam Power:Ironclad type ship:Build Railroad command:Weird Improvement
Medicine:
Industrialisation:Factory, Something Else, Women’s Suffrage I think
Electricity:Something that looks like the great library...
Sanitation:Sewer System
Communism:Police Station?
Espionage:No idea improvement!
The Corporation:
Scientific Methodarwin
Refining:
Steel:
Combustion:Couple of Ships (ones a carrier I think)
Replaceable Parts (Weird!):Riflemen, Artillery
Atomic Theory (in green?):
Flight:Fighter, Bomber, Airport, No idea improvement
Amphibious Warfare:Marines I guess
Mass Production:Three more ships including Sub
Electronics:Power Plant?, Hoover Dam?
Advanced Flight:Paratroops? Helicopter
Motorised Transport:Tank (or Armor you yanks)
Radio: Broadcasting station? It has a big tower...

Recycling: Centre
Rocketry:Two types, one of which is very aircraft like
Fission:Nuke and Manhattan I think
Computers:Mech Inf I think, Research Centre and God knows... SETI?
Ecology: WHAT’S THE POINT? I guess not all the art is done and there will be a solar plant of some description
Space Flight:Two units... hmmm??? Apollo, Three spaceship parts
Nuclear Power: Plant
Miniaturisation: Offshore Platform
Synthetic Fibres: Howitzer type thing, three spaceship parts
Stealth: Bomber, Fighter
Superconductor: two SS parts
Satellites:an SS part
The Laser:another SS part
Genetics:Cure for Cancer, Something else...
Smart Weapons:
Robotics: Looks like an APC and a boat and an MFG plant?
Integrated Defense: Star wars indeed... perhaps...

What are the red crosses? Why are they there?
I think the spaceship works differently, in that each part is an expensive mini-wonder and you need all ten to complete it... But I could be wrong...
I note we lost some techs (89 in Civ2, 82 in Civ3) and lots of improvements (44 imps and 28 wonders which is 72 total in Civ2, 52 and barracks which is 53 total in Civ3) and units (51 in Civ2, I reckon 48 in Civ3 (44 in the charts, settlers, workers, militia and special unit per civ)! And some have been renamed... I think this is probably an early version because of the repeated art and the blank spaces...
I also preferred the Civ II icons to be honest, they were easier to decipher.