16-08-2001 00:20									#1
	Diplomacy - trades Remove this text

From www.civ3.com/faq3.cfm :
What kinds of things can I put "on the table" when pitching a deal to another civilization?

Our new diplomatic model will allow you to put nearly anything on the table when making deals with other civs. You can trade a variety of things, including:
Cities
Gold (lump sum or per turn)
Technologies
Luxuries
Resources
World Maps
Contact with other civs
Diplomatic Agreements, which can include the following:
Peace treaty
Right of passage pact
Mutual protection pact
Military alliance against a common enemy
Trade embargo against a common enemy

Hmm. It appears I can't trade units. No selling bombers to other cultures?

Why not? I want to be able to give units to weak civs. Comments?

	16-08-2001 00:22									#2
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well, it says including, but it doesn't say limited to.

but i dont see "Units" in the screenshots.

CRAP FIRAXIS. CRAP.

jeff, step in and tell me my eyes are going.

(ot a bit)

i rememebr once i gave the babylonians a nuke, so they could whomp egypt a bit. but when i gave them it, a popup said "your gift has sparked a scientific revolution in Babylon!"

then it says "Babylonians Aquire Rocketry!"

	16-08-2001 00:53									#3
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Hum, never encountered that. Of course I never had friends in Civ2 games... I bet that would happen with airplanes, too.

	16-08-2001 01:43									#4
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Chris, if that really IS you, why didn't you just do a name change?

Welcome back if it is you.

	16-08-2001 07:05									#5
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Well I dont recall ever being able to trade units in the diplomacy screen, it was all done through the unit-command menu.

	16-08-2001 10:27									#6
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Hi, DarkCloud. Haven't spoken to you since CGN went down. I tried to change my old name to ByzCat but I isn't allowed. I think I'll go back to Christantine since it was registered last year and it will attract a tiny bit more respect.

I hate having to trade units through the Orders menu. It seems a bit weird ordering your troops to become a part of another civ just like any normal order.

	16-08-2001 10:52									#7
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UberKruX,
It happened to me, too! I was playing with the germans, and because the americans were a very small but civilized nation , I thought I should help them. Because they were at war I gave them a mech infantry and then the miracle happened! "Your gift has sparked a scientific revolution ... americans aquire Labor Union!"

But giving units to other civs was not in the "make a proposal" (trade) menu, but in the "Wish to offer you a gift" menu. Anyway, it was in the Diplomacy screen, and it certainly wasn't an order (at least in Civ2). I see no reason why would they remove that particular option.

	16-08-2001 11:59									#8
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quote: Originally posted by UberKruX i rememebr once i gave the babylonians a nuke, so they could whomp egypt a bit. but when i gave them it, a popup said "your gift has sparked a scientific revolution in Babylon!" then it says "Babylonians Aquire Rocketry!"

That has happened to me too.
You should installed a trigger that blow them up if they tried to examine it, then it would be like a Trojan horse.

I miss the option to offer them a Trojan horse in a gift.

	16-08-2001 20:33									#9
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I actually had the Romans refuse my offer of a phalanx. (It was very outdated at the time.)

The AI is so bad at valuing money and stuff right now that I fear Civ3 will open the doors for massive AI swindling. I forsee the player making all sorts of outrageous trades (even if the player has a low culture) because the AI just doesn't know what it's doing.

AI: "Hmm. I've been stupidly hoarding my gold for centuries instead of using it to enhance my tribe. Since I have 3000 coins I think 2000 coins seems a fair price for the wondrous Monotheism tech. I hope the fact that the player has already built Michaelangelo's Cathedral doesn't diminish the great deal the player is giving me."