19-08-2001 06:01									#31
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I think the civ background to the site is very important in that it draws fun and smart people to the site...

But I think the OT is the most impressive part of this on-line community.

Mark, what I meant to say was pageviews and poster tenure (within the community)

	19-08-2001 06:21									#32
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Dangit Solver, get to work <img src=/forums/"/forums/attachment__amp_postid=392267"_>__br.html />


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	19-08-2001 08:04									#33
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG perhaps, but does it really matter that much to talk about it again and again? does it really affect the quality of the feature when it will have reached it's 10th or 20th "issue"?

Hmm, when it gets that far, I suppose not.

As for talking about it, isn't that what we do about everything?
Like all new things, we always want to talk about them, I suppose.

Now for some diplomacy.

quote: I actually volunteer out to do something, while I could easily just sit around the forums and post anything, without helping Markos and adding something new.

Doesn't that go along with with your admin/mod status?
Or do you just like the way it looks in the location field?
When you pick up the mantle, you pick up the load.

If Mark wants help, all he has to do is ask, plenty of people here would pitch in.

quote: I think that if you don't volunteer to anything, you shouldn't criticize others much. I would be happy if any of you made an interview with some civer, and I'm going to see if anybody else can do it on a regular basis. Sure, many can, but noone before me did it .

You seem unaware as to the nature of these boards.
To post ANYTHING is to invite criticism, for good or ill.
As for interviewing people, I'm NOT a mod or admin here, just a poster, so it doesn't fall within my perview as a poster to undertake such a task for Apolyton. One thing there is no shortage of at apolyton is people who like to talk, so rounding up people to interview should NEVER be a problem. Look how quickly Laz rose to the challenge of interviewing AH!
I'm sure if you put out the request, people would certainly voluteer their time and effort to this project.

quote: I'll keep diplomatic responses for the time they are needed.

I don't think your answers are undiplomatic, just a tad impertinent.

	19-08-2001 16:12									#34
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I'd like to tell you how much time I spend on an interview. First, I need some good time to compile the question list This is where I need volunteers, BTW, for giving me questions. This includes learning about the person, and etc.
Then, after I receive answers, I read it for the first time. For the second time, I edit it as I read. For the third time, I read it with my edits, and only then am usually ready. Sometimes I need a second email to the interviewee.
Making one interview isn't an hour or two, it's more than that.

GP, I do actually consider I do quite a good job at these interviews. No, not excellent, for sure, but just good.

Also, let me point out that you have seen 2 interviews. Markos has seen 4. I have seen, more or less, 6. I just want to state you're not, yet, in a very good position to judge, though I believe after FoA 10 or so, everyobdy will be in a good postion to make the judgement.

	19-08-2001 17:43									#35
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG the horsie interview will actually be posted in a different but special way

Really? Well I would like to be consulted about that, otherwise I withdraw permission for you to publish the interview in any form.

Also, I will approve the edits - please send me the edited draft. I'm not having idiots trashing the special moments I shared with Bugs.

	19-08-2001 17:47									#36
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:hangs:.

Can't you just better stay out of here . I can imagine all the dits done .

	19-08-2001 20:02									#37
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quote: Originally posted by GP Mark, what I meant to say was pageviews and poster tenure (within the community)

OT does have a lot of traffic GP but what keeps this site alive and thriving is, well, everything else

	19-08-2001 20:08									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Chris 62 Hmm, when it gets that far, I suppose not.

glad we agree

quote: As for talking about it, isn't that what we do about everything?

only thing though, repeated criticism on something not very trivial ends being very close to whining

quote: If Mark wants help, all he has to do is ask, plenty of people here would pitch in.

hardly that easy i'm afraid....

quote: As for interviewing people, I'm NOT a mod or admin here, just a poster, so it doesn't fall within my perview as a poster to undertake such a task for Apolyton.

all people who have either worked on apolyton or created a scenario or written a guide or helped in the list etc were once "just posters"

	19-08-2001 20:16									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse Really? Well I would like to be consulted about that, otherwise I withdraw permission for you to publish the interview in any form. Also, I will approve the edits - please send me the edited draft. I'm not having idiots trashing the special moments I shared with Bugs.

No need to worry that much about it AH

Our decision was to post the interview (unedited) as a top-ed thread in the OT and not as part of the FoA series. The decision had nothing to do with you rather than with the end result of the interview. I was going to post it when i would post the next FoA, but if you're ok with this, let me know and I'll make the thread.

	19-08-2001 20:40									#40
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Solver, I would just like to thank you for the interviews; I could never think of as many good questions as you did for the interviewees. They are quality interviews!

(however my demand remains, and it seems... has been met, "interview at least 1 current OTer (ex. Stefu, AH, etc.) in the first 7 interviews"
Nearly all of them were, at one time, prominent on-topic posters.

	19-08-2001 21:54									#41
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG No need to worry that much about it AH Our decision was to post the interview (unedited) as a top-ed thread in the OT and not as part of the FoA series. The decision had nothing to do with you rather than with the end result of the interview. I was going to post it when i would post the next FoA, but if you're ok with this, let me know and I'll make the thread.

The alternative is to discuss it with those involved.

This is just a suggestion, of course. However, if you are serious about seeking contributions it's one I'd strongly advise giving consideration to. Rather than agonising over content or styling, or dropping in edits/bowdlerisation, just get some dialogue going with your would-be contributors.

	19-08-2001 22:09									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Bugs ****ing Bunny The alternative is to discuss it with those involved. This is just a suggestion, of course. However, if you are serious about seeking contributions it's one I'd strongly advise giving consideration to. Rather than agonising over content or styling, or dropping in edits/bowdlerisation, just get some dialogue going with your would-be contributors.

you are correct in your suggestion, but in this case we felt that the needed changes would be too many and probably not acceptable by either you or AH. so instead of geting into an endless and perhaps disheartening for all parties involved discussion we thought it would best to do it the way i described above..

	19-08-2001 22:20									#43
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quote: glad we agree

Of course.

quote: only thing though, repeated criticism on something not very trivial ends being very close to whining

True again, but ignoring member feedback often causes repeated criticism, as i am also aware. (see link in sig for that. )

quote: hardly that easy i'm afraid....

Sure it is, just ask.

quote: all people who have either worked on apolyton or created a scenario or written a guide or helped in the list etc were once "just posters"

All from humble origins, eh?
I suppose that is true also, but I also know that when you take on a job, you have to be prepared to follow through with it, despite nit-picking and caterwalling. and you know better then anyone that the Off-topic crowd is the most vocal of all groups!

That's why they get :banned: so much!

And let me give a down for not letting the AH interview go as a true faces feature, but as just another OT thread.

	19-08-2001 22:20									#44
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Seeing as the interview wasn't planned to be put online for several weeks, deadlines aren't a pressing issue in this case.

Again, let me suggest discussing it with those involved. Give it a try.

	20-08-2001 00:58									#45
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You could interview me as a Scenario League representative.

	20-08-2001 03:23									#46
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quote: Originally posted by GP Mark, what I meant to say was pageviews and poster tenure (within the community)

and here are some stats for you GP

Active posters in the last month
All forums: 1106
On Topic forums: 972
Apolyton forum: 179
All forums except the OT: 1001
Off-Topic forum: 360

	20-08-2001 05:41									#47
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Mark, that's a start. How about total page views? And number of 1970ers on OT vs on other forums?

If you eliminated OT, how much of an impact would it have on the site?

	20-08-2001 10:39									#48
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG Our decision was to post the interview (unedited) as a top-ed thread in the OT and not as part of the FoA series.

	20-08-2001 12:15									#49
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quote: Originally posted by GP How about total page views?

i dont have stats on pageviews. posts in the OT are at about 40% with a declining pattern since the change to vB

quote: If you eliminated OT, how much of an impact would it have on the site?

in what way? if you are talking about traffic it would of course be lower. on the other hand it would make browsing much faster on high load times(hey, there's an idea! ) if you're talking about the profitability of the site, when you are at low numbers even big changes dont make much of a difference


btw more active posters stats
Only in the Off-Topic forum: 105
Only in the Off-Topic and Apolyton forums: 126
Never in the Off-Topic forum: 746

	20-08-2001 12:21									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse

is that a "yes" or a "no"?

	20-08-2001 13:19									#51
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quote: Originally posted by GP And number of 1970ers on OT vs on other forums?

took some time, but we only have one GP.....

All forums: 91
On Topic forums: 71
Apolyton forum: 30
All forums except the OT: 73
Off-Topic forum: 54
Never in the Off-Topic forum: 37
Only in the Off-Topic forum: 18

(all numbers, including the "never" and "only" ones are for the period of the last month not for the entire history of the posters)

	20-08-2001 14:02									#52
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You seem to forget Markos that I campaigned against sticky threads on the OT.

Also my friends are on several forums not just the OT and Bugs and I irreverently discussed several games.

Have you shown the interview to anyone beside Solver?

	20-08-2001 14:15									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse You seem to forget Markos that I campaigned against sticky threads on the OT.

fine. if you dont want it, it wont be a top-ed one

quote: Also my friends are on several forums not just the OT and Bugs and I irreverently discussed several games.

your interview was suggested as the one with someone from the OT

quote: Have you shown the interview to anyone beside Solver?

irrevelant

	20-08-2001 15:03									#54
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG fine. if you dont want it, it wont be a top-ed one your interview was suggested as the one with someone from the OT irrevelant

If it's not top-ed, chances are less people will see it. Though I coudln't care less.

As for the who saw it.

Bugs originally sent it to me, and I was the first. Then, it was the "evaluation comittee" who saw it, consisting of some people, who shalt not be named here, yet.

	20-08-2001 15:47									#55
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG irrevelant

In other words you only showed it to Solver

Great Minds think alike

	20-08-2001 15:56									#56
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whatever....

if you want, post it yourself in the OT(i'm at work and dont have a copy)
eitherwise.....

	20-08-2001 15:59									#57
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Journalists you ain't

	20-08-2001 18:20									#58
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Please, when the Horse interview is posted, will somebody let me know, preferably in this thread?

I'll even delve into the sewers of off topic to read that.

That'll change the numbers on "never in off topic"

	20-08-2001 18:53									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse Journalists you ain't

please answer with a "yes" or a "no"
do you want it posted?