19-08-2001 07:04									#1
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Erwan's single-file infantry collection does not include the 15th century ones shown in the infantry details page.

	19-08-2001 15:16									#2
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St Leo, I love your threads. I really do

	19-08-2001 18:42									#3
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I aim to please.

	19-08-2001 18:49									#4
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You excel at at that

	19-08-2001 19:24									#5
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Are you making a 15th century scenario?

	19-08-2001 19:43									#6
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quote: Originally posted by St Leo Are you making a 15th century scenario?

Why are you asking that? I mean, why precisely the 15th century?

	20-08-2001 04:15									#7
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Well, the 15th century was the century Hungary conquered the Holy Roman Empire.

	20-08-2001 04:22									#8
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Why are you asking that? I mean, why precisely the 15th century?

What appeals to you about this thread?

Well, the 15th century was the century Hungary conquered the Holy Roman Empire.

Are you referring to Bohemia?

	21-08-2001 05:53									#9
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1485, Mátyas Hunyadi's army trimuphantly marches into Vienna, and where he establishes the seat of his new empire. So what if it only lasted 5 years, at least he did it! That's twice now we've taken down the "Romans."

	21-08-2001 14:31									#10
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When was the first time?

And saying that they "conquered the Holy Roman Empire" is a bit...hm...strangely expressed for the conquest of one city...

	22-08-2001 00:28									#11
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quote: When was the first time?

Attila, 5th century AD.

quote: And saying that they "conquered the Holy Roman Empire" is a bit...hm...strangely expressed for the conquest of one city...

Yeah well, it he took most of Austria as well. And we know from history that Austria has always dominated the Germans.

	22-08-2001 00:35									#12
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Attila did pretty much d*ck all against the Romans.

	22-08-2001 06:12									#13
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Attila, 5th century AD.

I'm pretty sure that Magyars are a Finno-Ugric tribe and that Huns were an Altaic tribe...

	22-08-2001 06:46									#14
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quote: I'm pretty sure that Magyars are a Finno-Ugric tribe and that Huns were an Altaic tribe...

You know too much.

Seriously St Leo, I'm impressed you actually know that. I can't think of many people who have even heard those terms let alone understand their differences. But hey, there is speculation that the Szekély Hungarians were Huns that were converted, however they will be extinct in a few years... Árpárd himself claimed to be a descedant of Attila, don't know if that is true or not, but Attila did have 20 wives or so.

	24-08-2001 19:45									#15
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quote: Originally posted by MagyarCrusader Seriously St Leo, I'm impressed you actually know that. I can't think of many people who have even heard those terms let alone understand their differences. But hey, there is speculation that the Szekély Hungarians were Huns that were converted, however they will be extinct in a few years... Árpárd himself claimed to be a descedant of Attila, don't know if that is true or not, but Attila did have 20 wives or so.

Kabarians ( one of the hungarian clans ) were descendants of Akatzir turkish tribe, a scattering remaining, with Ogundur, Utrigurs, Kutrigurs ( destroyed by Avars ) and Bulgars, of eastern Hunnic hordes. Szekčly hungarians were an hungarian tribe subdued by Avarians in VI century and forced to move to Pannonia. However, it was a common practice amongs steppes' hordes to claim a victorious ancestor for their royal clans...

PS 20 wives only gave a child to Attila... you forgot to mention the others...

	24-08-2001 20:08									#16
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Árpárd himself claimed to be a descedant of Attila, don't know if that is true or not, but Attila did have 20 wives or so.

With the number of generations between now and Attila's time, I wouldn't be surprised if I were a descendant an Attila through both of my parents.

	24-08-2001 20:12									#17
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Hope Dengizicus was not your ancestor... if so, you started with the wrong path . He was the only loser. His head was put on Bysanzium hippodrome...

	25-08-2001 00:46									#18
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quote: Szekčly hungarians were an hungarian tribe subdued by Avarians in VI century and forced to move to Pannonia.

Really? I don't mean to insult you with skepticism, but could you provide a source? I'm not saying it's impossible, but I've never heard that much about them, so I'd be grateful for any further information. All I've heard is that the history of the Szekély Huns is mysterious and incomplete. There are many theories about their arrival and heritage, the most commonly accepted one that I know of was that they were a Magyar tribe that immigrated several centuries prior to the main Magyar immigration (prehaps because of the Avars?). I've also heard a theory that they were Huns left in the area after Attila died and the empire vanished. But these Huns were assimilated by Magyars. I'm not educated enough in any of these theories to dispute either one, so I just say that either one is a possibility. It is a know fact that Szekély culutre is unique to other Hungarians, as they have their own dialacts and customs. I once read that some Hungarian historians claimed that the dialect of rural Szeklers is more true to the original language of the Magyars than the rest of the country.

	28-08-2001 14:40									#19
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Two sources...

a) http://www2.4dcomm.com/millenia/history.htm

b) Francis Comte, "The Slavians", Einaudi Editori for Italy ( other nations? dunno... )

Let me spend a few words about Comte's book. When Avaric Khagan Bajna ( or Bajan ) claimed and finally captured the formerly gepidian capital Sirmium in 582 ( occupied by Byzantines shortly after Gepidian final defeat to secure their northern borderland and mantained by a gepidian mercenaries' garrison ), he launched a raid of ten thousand Kutrigurs and Hungarian auxiliaries against Dalmatia in order to ransack and to seize enough lands from empire's danubian borders in order to settle his own Slavonic troops. This is the only mention this book did about ancient Hungarians in Avarians' kingdom chapter, but a few notes identified them with Szekely hungarians.