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Arent
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If you are in favor of a more peaceful combination like industrious/scientific or industrious/commercial please vote "Other"!
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There have been some complaints about the german attributes -
let's make a poll. Just pick the combination you're most comfortable with.
(couldn't include all - sorry)
Arent
Last edited by Arent on 22-08-2001 at 12:27
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Stryfe
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Seattle, WA USA
Jan 1970
time: 05:15
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I think that if I were to assign any attributes to a civilization it would have to be assigned based on what attributes that civilization has most made itself felt upon the world through. With Germany this is problematic as there has only very rarely been a German nation; the Holy Roman Empire, for instance, was not really a nation, but a league of princes; only in the modern time is a German nation.
For their attributes however, I would choose either Expansionistic / Religious or Scientific / Religious. German expansionism is behind the whole of Europe being the way it is; I don't know if there is much of Europe not affected by the migrations of the Germanic tribes to a high degree. But the power of German Science and Philosophy is so powerful late in the country's development--especially Philosophy--that it seems a crime to not represent that in the Scientific attribute.
The Religious attribute I would assert is indisputable (yet seems least popular). But what can you say about the nation that has produced the most influential, innovative, and important religious thought of the modern era? From Martin Luther, who produced the Reformation, to Schleiermacher, who introduced Liberal Modernism (not to mention Feuerbach and Strauss), up to Karl Barth, the most important voice of Evangelicism, Germany has consistently produced the greatest and most original voices in the sphere of religion. Today, if you examine the most influential theologians, they are, by and large, Germans--Jurgen Moltmann, Hans Kung, etc--or German Swiss. And it's not just that these have been "just" big thinkers in religion; these aren't thinkers who've only influenced an erudite few, but have been extremely influential as well throughout the world.
For some reason Firaxis wants Germany to be 'Commercial', which seems anachronistic to me. At no point in Germany's history until the post-WW2 era does Germany seem to be a Commercial powerhouse, and this era hardly seems to be the height of Germany as compared with, say, 1770-1938 (Am I missing something? Was Germany some great trading nation all that time like the Dutch or English? Has Firaxis mixed up meanings of the word "Dutch"?).
And for a final rant...Why isn't France represented as Scientific?
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Arent
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There are a lot of "Other" votes considering such options like "Other"
are rarely picked in polls. We'll see. Considering the number of votes and that this poll
startet yesterday it seems to be of interest.
Arent
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Martinus
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of Poland
Jun 2001
time: 06:15
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quote:
Originally posted by Stryfe
The Religious attribute I would assert is indisputable (yet seems least popular). But what can you say about the nation that has produced the most influential, innovative, and important religious thought of the modern era? From Martin Luther, who produced the Reformation, to Schleiermacher, who introduced Liberal Modernism (not to mention Feuerbach and Strauss), up to Karl Barth, the most important voice of Evangelicism, Germany has consistently produced the greatest and most original voices in the sphere of religion. Today, if you examine the most influential theologians, they are, by and large, Germans--Jurgen Moltmann, Hans Kung, etc--or German Swiss. And it's not just that these have been "just" big thinkers in religion; these aren't thinkers who've only influenced an erudite few, but have been extremely influential as well throughout the world.
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If anything, Germans should NOT be religious. The history of German philosophy and German political thought is a history of breaking away from religious fundamentalism. From Martin Luther indeed (yes, he created his own religion, but back then everybody was religious, and his religious act was the most anti-religious of the era). But then through Heideger, Nietzsche, Drescher and poets like Goethe and Schiller the German intellectuals were humanists if not atheists. Indeed, the romanticism was strongest and most anti-religious in Germany, not to mention modernism or the after WWII period.
The fact they were "Holy Roman Empire" in middle ages and organised crusades has nothing to do with that, as everybody did it. But indeed, if any nation may be seen as questioning the Pope all the time back then, it was Germans.
As for what I think should be used - if the ruler is Frederick the Great of Prussia (and I think it is him) or Otto von Bismarck, then obviously militaristic and industrious.
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StSz
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Austria
Aug 2001
time: 06:15
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quote:
Originally posted by JellyDonut
1945 was the death of a VERY militaristic government (the Nazis) and the country is much much less militaristic than it was back then, in case you didn't notice. And Firaxis didn't *forget* the militaristic/scientific combination; it would simply be too powerful for balanced gameplay. |
EDITED BECAUSE IT WAS TO ANTI-GERMANISTIC
You are right.. scientific + militaristic seems to strong.
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