25-08-2001 00:50									#1
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Can anyone tell me what ever happenned to the Aliens. I thought that ctp was meant to have an alien ending and i never saw it. Though i was looking for a massive invasion with all of the excitement that it could bring to the sterile endings in most of the civ family games.


Any chance of some ruthless aliens to kill, completely incompatible with humans with a real bloody war for our planet?

I think i have been in too long!

	25-08-2001 00:52									#2
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No.

	25-08-2001 01:25									#3
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Buy SMAC and the expansion and...erm....pretend its the Earth.

	25-08-2001 01:54									#4
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I'm sure some people will make alien invasion scenarios. Probably more than I want to know.

	25-08-2001 02:17									#5
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I seem to remember heated discussions about realism. The general consensus was a decidedly negative. As of now, adding aliens would not fit this realism model (it is the opinion of SETI that they don't exist anywhere, let alone on earth). Therefore, they should not be included.

That being said, there were some fairly decent alien invasion scenarios for Civ 2, and, as barefootbadass stated, there will probably be some for Civ 3 as well.

	25-08-2001 14:40									#6
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Well i will keep my alien fantasies to myself in future.

	25-08-2001 15:03									#7
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Just pretend the French are aliens...

	25-08-2001 15:05									#8
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A cool idea for a mod would be that after SETI gets built (assuming SETI is in Civ3), there is a random chance each turn that aliens get contacted, show up, and invade. Could really bolix the end game. I can see it already - human player refuses to build SETI and tries to prevent AI players from doing the same. All we need is an event handler like Civ2 Senarios had. And the best thing is, as a mod, no one will complain about realism because Firaxis didn't make it! Don't like it, don't download, don't unzip, and don't complain to me!

	25-08-2001 15:25									#9
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Yeah i like the posssible connections here building the SETI wonder and then being confronted by a weird and wonderful species intent upon wiping out humanity, making good wines, and chasing girls. Wait a second i might be one of them.

	25-08-2001 16:47									#10
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it is the opinion of SETI that they don't exist anywhere,

I doubt that is true, why look for something you don't expect to even exist?

	25-08-2001 17:11									#11
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They used to expect that Aliens existed, they just don't any more.

MP, I like the scenario idea. One problem is that the Aliens would have to have a whole new tech line and different art. Maybe the SMACX aliens could be adapted.

	25-08-2001 17:38									#12
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I think what he is trying to say is that SETI realises that if there are aliens, the chances of them using a technology that we can intercept, and that we actually point the things in the right direction to see their communications are very very very low. But it's worth a try, even if to just get one option out of the way.

	25-08-2001 17:42									#13
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quote: Originally posted by red_jon Just pretend the French are aliens...

Pretend?

	25-08-2001 19:07									#14
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La la

	25-08-2001 19:25									#15
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it is the opinion of SETI that they don't exist anywhere,

I doubt that is true, why look for something you don't expect to even exist?

Ok, uh, I don't really know how to do a quote. But I guess the reason they keep looking is so they don't lose their jobs.

	25-08-2001 19:39									#16
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quote: Originally posted by BlackStone La la

	25-08-2001 19:52									#17
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BlackStone, expect to be banned for spamming.

You will have to revert to another DL for a while methinks.

	25-08-2001 22:14									#18
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Doesn't sound like his style. Maybe we were hacked.

	25-08-2001 23:04									#19
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There should be only two seasons based upon the time when the sun crosses the plane of the earth's equator, making night and day of approximately equal length all over the earth and occurring about March 21 (a vernal equinox or spring equinox) and September 22 (an autumnal equinox). However, Aristotle studied the seasons based upon the ancient elements of water, air, fire and earth to deduce his system of the organic cycle of life which begins with the renewing growth of spring. I think seasons ought to affect the aliens in different ways. However, the aliens should only become important if one begins to explore space.

	26-08-2001 05:15									#20
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Alien civs or alien invasions? Lemme think about that...

*thinks for a half second*

NO.



And to clear up a misconception: SETI and other search programs search only by listening for messages. They don't send. What does send, however, are TV and radio stations. If an alien civilization receives our radio and TV transmissions, chances are, the first TV transmission they'll decipher will be that of Hitler at the 1936 Munich Olympics. Whoops.

Fortunately, if we come across an alien message, we'll be able to tell that it's a message, since it'd be a lot different from natural radio transmissions (any object warmer than absolute zero or the ambient environment radiates throughout the EM spectrum, which includes radio-- the warmer it is, the stronger the radiation).

	26-08-2001 02:52									#21
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Alien invasion?

*Thinks for a quarter of a second*

YES

And if Civ3 has event handlers (or better yet, a scripting language like SLIC) I'm going to write a mod for it. And there's nothing you, Vlad Antlerkov, can do to stop me!!!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

People will down load it, install it, and love it! It will become standard! (I'm getting ahead of myself of course. I have no idea if Firaxis will provide tools for using some sort of script and I have no artistic ability at all.)

	28-08-2001 16:55									#22
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What do you think of mutants with too high polution
the Dubyasaur

	28-08-2001 17:07									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Vlad Antlerkov And to clear up a misconception: SETI and other search programs search only by listening for messages. They don't send. What does send, however, are TV and radio stations. If an alien civilization receives our radio and TV transmissions, chances are, the first TV transmission they'll decipher will be that of Hitler at the 1936 Munich Olympics. Whoops.

Havent you ever seen 'contact?'

good movie

	28-08-2001 17:35									#24
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civ III is not a futuristic game... do an alien scenario... that is the solution for aliens.

	28-08-2001 18:51									#25
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quote: And to clear up a misconception: SETI and other search programs search only by listening for messages. They don't send. What does send, however, are TV and radio stations. If an alien civilization receives our radio and TV transmissions, chances are, the first TV transmission they'll decipher will be that of Hitler at the 1936 Munich Olympics. Whoops.

Let's just hope they don't find Barney or Playboy .

	28-08-2001 19:03									#26
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quote: Originally posted by BlackStone Can anyone tell me what ever happenned to the Aliens.

There never were any aliens in civ. Well there was one in units.gif but is was never used.

	28-08-2001 19:04									#27
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quote: Originally posted by red_jon Just pretend the French are aliens...

Just pretend English food is alien...

I dislike the idea of aliens invading earth.

But Civ2 had one problem, and it was a big problem. In most of the games I have played, I just had killed everyone before getting mobile warfare. Cavalery is a great weapon, but I would have prefered to fight with stealth bombers and nukes.

Firaxis has to find something to make a game last a bit more. The alien invasion is not the solution. But the gameplay has to become a bit more well-balanced.

	28-08-2001 20:11									#28
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quote: Originally posted by M. le Comte Just pretend English food is alien...

There is nowt wrong with English grub.

Lancashire hotpot, Yorkshire pud, Cornish Pastie, Dover Sole, Chicken Tikka Masala.... far better than snails and horsemeat.

In all seriousness the French do have an enviable gastronomic flair.

On the subject of aliens, no thanx. If you want aliens then it will have to be lo-key. If and when humans discover ET the conversation will most likely be slow and incomprehensible. Rampaging hordes of aliens descending upon Earth is far less likely than an asteroid impact killing all civilization. If aliens are in I want the possibility of a asteroid impact.

	28-08-2001 20:43									#29
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I never liked alien scenarios.........

	28-08-2001 20:48									#30
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quote: Originally posted by skywalker Let's just hope they don't find Barney or Playboy .

Barney and Playboy would offer a much more insightful look into human nature and culture then the munich olympics. (that broadcast was just a short speach at the start of the olympics, anyways.... wasn't it?)

I think that it's sitcoms and gameshows that you'd have to worry about them geting.