27-08-2001 12:12									#1
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im a really good civ2 player (about average), but i downloaded civ1 from abandonware and its AI actually crush a already thriving empire...mine! i dont know what the civ1 AI is told to do but it seems smart. the russians in my game wiped out 3 empires, one was mine! i had good defence but some how it beet me, and bad. was this a 1 in a 1,000,000,000 incident or is it always like this? I really like this game and im gona play it till civ3 comes out.

	27-08-2001 21:30									#2
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A. How do you know how good a Civ II player you are? Just curious.

B. Civ I had some AI cheats that Civ II did not, especially related to Wonders. Combined with Emporer-level economic advantages, the AI can defeat even the best players, if the AI civ grows strong enough (lots of cities). The latter is true in either Civ I or Civ II.

C. The Civ I combat system can create great frustration for players who manage units based on quality, not sheer numbers. The AI doesn't care how many units it takes. As long as it kills yours, it will soldier on. Civ I uses the "draw a chit out of a hat" combat. If an 18-point veteran battle ship attacks a 2-point green phalanx, there are 20 chits to draw and the winner is based on that single draw. Thus a phalanx has a 10 percent chance of killing the BB outright. If the phalanx catches the BB in port, it has a 5% chance of winning (1 out of 19 chits), despite the logical nonsense this represents. So, numbers of units count and the AI will produce units by the ton, if it has enough cities.

	28-08-2001 05:09									#3
	Good luck. Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

There's a reason there's no deity in Civ.

	28-08-2001 07:35									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Blaupanzer B. Civ I had some AI cheats that Civ II did not, especially related to Wonders. Combined with Emporer-level economic advantages, the AI can defeat even the best players, if the AI civ grows strong enough (lots of cities). The latter is true in either Civ I or Civ II.

ohhhh... well i lost mainly becouse the ruskys took out like 3 empire before me, so it could eild about 30 units, its just when the mongels come in and storm 2 cities on turn 6
where civ2 the AI stormed like one city throughout the entire game. hmmm maybe they shouldn't have changed civ like they did...

	28-08-2001 17:38									#5
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*Fondly remembers crushing Russians in Civ1 with legions of Armor*

	28-08-2001 23:01									#6
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*Fondly remembers the epic battles against the Civ1 AI* Those were the challenges indeed...

	01-09-2001 06:10									#7
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where can I find abandonware?

	01-09-2001 18:23									#8
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

ICS also works a lot better in civ1. you can blanket the land with cities if you want. the ideal strategy is to put a city on every grassland-shield and plains square. then just crank out the chariots and settlers until the world is yours.

go to the civ1 section on this site, there are some great strategies listed there. and people would tweak the game so they could play on emporer + levels.

for abandonware, got to www.theunderdogs.org, or www.abandongames.com

there's more, but I use those 2 the most.