18-02-2001 12:04									#1
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Debeest's discovery of the formula behind GNP inspired me to have a look at Demograpics myself.

I think I have uncovered the formula for Millitary Service.

(Units * 10) / (Population + 1) = Years of Service

How about you civers put this formula to the acid test.

	18-02-2001 20:23									#2
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What do you mean population? DO you mean population points or true population. Does it also include non-combatant units in that classification? I will test it and I guess I will answer myself.

Didn't work for me any way. I excluded settlers and diplos, it didn't work. I included diplos and settlers and it didn't work.

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	19-02-2001 03:05									#3
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I used ToT to determine the formula. I'll install FW and try there.

	19-02-2001 03:50									#4
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OK I loaded and tested it under FW and found that the formula works in a small two city model. I will continue to test it in larger settings.

Population is the total of all city sizes.

Units is the total number of units owned by the civ exclusive of units with roles 5, 6, an 7.

	19-02-2001 08:23									#5
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I will try it tommorrow on the same save game. I might just have done the math wrong though.

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	21-02-2001 08:04									#6
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I tested the forumula and it works exactly if one lops of the decimal points (as opposed to rounding). In my experiences in programming I have made extensive use of the "truncate" function which does exactly this, and I suspect that's what is used here. So the final formula could be something like

years of service = TRUNC[(units * 10) / (population + 1)]

Nice work William Keenan!

(This is Don Quixote from the past, but the system has apparently lost my information)

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	21-02-2001 20:15									#7
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Nice work William Keenan and Qin Shihuangdi!
(BTW QS, Don Quixote is a very nice name (unless you prefer Sancho Pança); you should e-mail Ming and get it back).

	21-02-2001 20:45									#8
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Yes, I for got to mention that all remainers are truncated (rounded down for non-programmer types). Thank you Qin for pointing that out.

	22-02-2001 03:20									#9
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Oh, then in that case it works!

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	22-02-2001 20:48									#10
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My military service figure is always adrift of the AI (as will be the case for every other expansive perfectionist's I guess). This formula makes it abundantly clear why - I will have both far fewer units and far higher population than the AI civs.

"All under Heaven" has a pleasantly poetic flavour Qin Shihuangdi. Does it reflect the same notion as saying that you are a citizen of the universe?

	03-03-2001 09:44									#11
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Excalty what does this demographic mean?

When looking at demos I look mainly at 3 things, civ rating(I have yet to figure how this is figured), Population, and Land area. Those are the keys to success.

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	04-03-2001 10:50									#12
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I noticed a while ago, during one of those nomad games, that my military service was the # of real units x 10. I had a suspicion that it was something like whats been mentioned above, but i never cared about service years anyway, so I didn't research it.

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