28-08-2001 19:15									#1
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I'm a newbie trying the techer strat.

I'm not convinced about the received wisdom to start by building indies only to tear them down later. Clearly some indies must be built so as to generate cash in the turns coming out of protection and so that the 200 - 400 turns spent building Csites aren't wasted. But I wonder if just, say. 400 indies could be built (which are needed for spies later) and then focus firmly on getting to 200 Csites and then go over to labs?

It'd be nice to work out some arithmetic on that but I haven't the energy.

Guess I'll experiment in game.

	29-08-2001 17:53									#2
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Bloody Hell.

Went into the FFA server AND MY COUNTRY HAD BEEN KILLED!

Needless to say, no message to explain who I up set and why.

Kinda flattering, in a way, that they bothered. I did see someone had named a country "OMG I just killed Furious". It wasn't that country which did the damage but I suppose it will one of his multis.

The FFA is too much like hard work - I only run three countries (well, two now ) and that's nowhere near enough. I think I'll let that one go and focus on the main game and the tournament.

I'm just short of $1 m networth in the tournament game and not yet attracting unwanted attention. But it's got real hard to identify hittable targets. I may have to invest two or three turns in research so as to have the funds to triple my offensive military.

Guess I'd better watch out - this talking to yourself could be addictive.

Do like the echo in here, though.

	30-08-2001 12:44									#3
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How's your "Standard" game going? I'm at ~1.4 mil. What's the difference between the three versions? I've only tried Standard.

	30-08-2001 17:28									#4
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Hi, Krazy. Glad you mossied by.

I've tried all three. They have quite marked differences.

A1 is dominated by clans and the real life of the place seems to be in what goes on within each clan and in a complex web of diplomacy conducted between the commited and stable clans.

I joined a new one. We are odd because the membership generally is pretty unskilled but the two who started it up are obviously good. They can get into the top 100 pretty easily.

We started off to netgain and I was doing pretty good, heading for 1 mill net worth and with a good infrastructure. But then the clan started having trouble with this guy who runs about a dozen countries (in a mock clan - sad, really). So we decided to try ourselves out in a little war. While at war you just attack away like crazy and you are expected not to let yourself get distracted by any landgrabbing or otherwise spending time on your own country.

So I'm still stuck where I was. On top of which I left myself with too few tanks and lost a bunch of buildings - including no less than 60 of my 180 Csites!! ****.

Anyway, the sceen in the tournament game is quite different. There are no clans, it's each man for himself. On top of that you don't have access to the tools which you can use when you are in a clan or are a member of GamersTown. That is tools which allow you to identify fat landgrab targets. Instead you just have to use the news, search and the information on the scores screen.

I've just hit 1 mill net worth and I'm at about 200 - getting in sight of the top. The tournament games last one month so I don't have enough time to achieve a really good finish but I'm pretty pleased with it as a first try. I'll get to play in a higher division next month I think.

The free for all is different again. Multiple countries are allowed and that makes a big difference. Trouble is, I suspect if you run less than a dozen countries you're just playing at it. And running that number of countries at my inept skill level would be waaay to time consuming. My main country got killed the other day and it has pretty well put me off bothering with FFA any more.

Were I still to be getting fun out of the game in a few months time I might have another go. This one is also full of clans but I don't know if they run on similar lines to those in A1. The task of co-ordinating members each of whom is running a whole bunch of countries would be pretty hideous, I think. It's my guess the clans would turn out to be more like loose assocations.

If you fancy joining a clan in the next re-set the one I'm in is a bit quiet but I like it. I reckon you'd be made welcome.

	31-08-2001 15:42									#5
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Well, the August tournament is done. I finished 160 I think, in the end. At least that was where I was when I logged out. But there were a few hours of play left so conceivably my country may have suffered multiple hits before the end and dropped a bit.

Thet don't seem to publish where everyone finishes - which is strange.

Anyway, I am now keen to play again in September's tournament. Finishing in the 150s means I go up from level 8 (where you start) to level 6. The leader of my clan says its easiest to win in 7. I suppose that must be on the basis that some skilled players returning to the game will be around in 8 (I only saw evidence of, maybe, one. But there were some impressive netgains going on among the half dozen top players while they jockeyed for the win over he last few houres. So I guess they were all players.) and those players will go from 8 to 6 or 5 or above. Anyone only going from 8 to 7 demonstrates that they are either very new or no good.

Anyway she hasn't said anything about level 6. The standard in A! is poor so I'm not expecting to be out of my depth.

In fact I shall be pissed off if I can't make top 100.

I'm going to play techer again - which I've decided is a disadvantage in tournament play. But WTH, I enjoy it and by honing my techer skills in the tourney game I will improve performance in the main game.

Starts at 6 am to-morrow, my time. I;ll be there.

Strange goings on in our war. Both the clan leader and I complained to the admin presenting evidence that our opponent is a "multi". That is someone who cheats by having multiple countries. Shortly afterwards two of the multis countries went into protection. Now you can do that if you go on holiday but I sort of think that the protection thing and the complaint are linked. Except that the admin is notorious among seasoned players for saying he will kick out multis but never actually doing anything.

Anyway, I'd be glad njow for the war to end. Fighting is pretty dull and I have a feeling that I will have bottomed it shortly. There is a range of attacks, a range of stock defences and, inevitably, information is the key.

Looking at what is said on the fora it is obvious the developer has had to fight a steady rearguard action against the power of the spy. It's pretty clear he's even descended to rigging dice rolls to try to curb them. But to no avail. Have a powerful spy network; get the detailed information this allows; some quick arithmetic and its mechanical from there.

The skill of the game and the fun unquestionably lies in the endless opportunities for diplomacy.

Anyway I'm going to have a look in the archives to see whether there was ever any worthwhile strategy discussion here.

The echo is back, I see. Rather damp, too.

Last edited by East Street Trader on 31-08-2001 at 20:38

	31-08-2001 21:06									#6
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EST, the game is riddled with multies. In principle it’s forbidden by the site owners and not condoned by clan leaders but in practice the owners do squat and many clan leaders turn their back towards it.
In fact, many of those small clans consist entirely out of multies, and the Apolyton clan was born and got killed this way.

That's why I quit this clan stuff.

	02-09-2001 03:15									#7
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Ha! Well I've been finding out to-day that you are dead right.

The small clan I'm in got tangled up with what looked like just one guy running about 8 to a dozen countries. The lass who started the clan is a skilled fighter and with her guidance we gradually killed off these countries until only two were left. These two went into protection (coward) and it looked as though we could get back to netgaining and training ourselves up.

But just now a bunch of about 12 to 18 more countries have appeared and killed off our biggest contry and maimed our leader's country badly. They are obvious multies because they comprise groups of between 3 and 6 countries each of which have similar names, similar numbers and they each attack in sequence.

We have some powerful allies now and will respond. But it is galling to have to face cheats like this.

It puzzles me why they do it because there is a separate server where the developer runs a free for all game in which multies are legal. Why don't they play there?

Also I can't really see why the admin guy does not enforce his rules. It would be very easy (using Ming/MtG type methods) to identify the multies and to throw them out. No doubt they would return but multies would lose their attraction if a cheat faced the prospect of doing the initial work to build up a country only to then be slung out and have to do it all again.

But, in a way, this all adds to the interest. I am not up for waging any big campaign but I may well find the energy to see whether my own particlar brand of pursuasion might not be enough to get the admin guy to do something.

By the way, I'm now in real need of strategy help. In a mad moment I struck a bet with the girl who started our clan. She won her tourney game and is now in one of the higher tournament levels. I'm still pretty lowly. The bet is that the one who finishes lowest in their level at the end of this month's tourney must write a haiku - on a subject chosen by the winner - and publish it in the clan's forum no matter ho embarrassingly awful it is.

And this is , very slightly immature, 16 year old girl. So she'll pick a really grotty subject if I give her the chance. I'd repeat one of the jokes she's posted to make the point - but it's so yucky that I'll let you off.

So, lets start with the first 100 turns. I make it 36 csites; then14 indies; first turn exploring; then indies and explore whenever can; csites in groups of 4 when can't. But is there any received wisdom on this? And I wonder has anyone ever tried the effect of a couple of turns of early research?

Didn't find the archives when I looked. Will look again when I get a minute.

	02-09-2001 03:51									#8
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Well I’m not the specialist in strategy either, but I’ll try to drum up my contacts. (making a bet with a 16-year old tsss...)

There should be links to useful sites in old posts at this forum.

	02-09-2001 06:31									#9
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Thanks, Colon.

I had a look round the web and found three or four sites with stuff on. Also the clans seem to go in for training up membrs - well mine does and so do our allies.

But I'm a little suspicious of the received wisdom. And the strats are pretty rough hewn, there's room for quite a bit of further detail.

By the way, all the multies that attacked us were deleted within minutes of us complaining. So now I'm not sure what to make of the notion that the mods/admin are weak kneed about enforcement.

Also, the girl, Althena she calls herself, tells me that in this re-set (or did she say the last) a bunch of honest clans set themselves to destroy the biggest clan - who cheat - and did so. Although she now thinks that there will be a retaliation for this when the
next re-set gets under weigh I'm not so sure. Disapproval on the part of peers is a powerful thing.

So maybe there is hope that things will get cleaner?

	02-09-2001 17:20									#10
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I think that aforementioned starting strategy is reliable, at least it sounds like standard stuff to me, but I was never good at following it myself. (maybe that’s why my country was always mediocre)

You don’t need tech at the starting because any of their effects will be smothered by the rapid expansion rate of your country and it’s also true that the earlier you build CS, the more they pay off.
As for the details, I guess your own experience will have to fill that in.

I’m surprised to hear those countries were deleted, I hope that wasn’t an exception.
You could think of multies are a form of corruption I suppose, some clans have higher standards than others, but I’ve never heard of any such attempt to purge it out. It’s indeed reason for hope.

	02-09-2001 17:37									#11
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Forgot to post:
Here's one strategy site that I used to read, but it's a bit old. (got the link from Ribannah, she might drop by)

	02-09-2001 20:53									#12
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Thanks, Colon. I'll try that link.

And I'll have to look again for the archives because if Ribs has played there is bound to be some useful stuff.

I read something which suggested that building a few farms to generate income before you come out of protection might sharpen up the start. I'm struggling to have any feel for these things tho' off the back of playing just one game. I suppose I should maybe set up a few countries in the FFA to test out one or two starts. I can always delete them or leave them in the last move or two under protection and let them get deleted for inactivity.

	04-09-2001 00:55									#13
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If you wanted to cheat to win your bet, EST, you could always create a multi country or two and attack your enemy sporadically

-EST If you are in a small clan with only a few high rankers... it will be hard for you to get a high networth as people like to attack small clans they have never heard of... and small clans have a hard time retalling.

-For a techer... it was easier to be one before SWIRVE changed the game... but if you are going to tech, you might want to be a theocracy... but if you are a theocracy you need to be on the game about 24/7.

-who did you make a bet with? I don't see any mention of that in the thread?

	04-09-2001 15:31									#14
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Hi, DarkCloud.

I see you have played a bit.

Well, the bet is with a young girl who calls herself Althena. She set up the clan with a chap of about 19 (calls himself Flarius) but he immediately ran into some personal stuff that has kept him away from the game so she has been getting it off the ground on her own. She is very good at it.

She seems to have lots of friends among the elite and some of the top clans have sent us people to help with training and when we had a spat with a bunch of multies they helped with that too.

One (currently 5 highest average networth) even asked us to merge with them.

Anyway we have been chatting (she persuaded me to go onto ICQ) and when she won her tournament game last month I struck the bet with her.

But I am beginning to think she has no chance. The people in my set cannot handle the startup at all and I will be top ten later to-day (even after cocking up and being a thousand turrets short coming out of protection). I'm going to be ready to make the switch from the indie startup to techer in about three sets of turns time and I just don't see them holding me. I have well over half of my csites built and the early landgrabbing is proving ludicrously easy.

It is obviously one of the "fast start can't be caught" variety of games (if you leave the diplomacy aspect aside).

I have yet to experience stockpiling so the end of the round may present some challenges when it comes. But it doesn't sound too daunting a technique to master.

Althena is in a much higher division so I take it the going will be tougher. Anyway she hasn't posted her status at our clan site yet so I kind of infer I'm ahead.

I think the explanation for the multie rubbish must just be the youth of some of the players. I may take the trouble to explain to one or two that a cheat and a liar is not such a very great thing to be.

	05-09-2001 04:28									#15
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So you are not in the same division? You are not in game A?

If you aren't in A, the quality of the players will probably be deplorable as most of the players in the lower divisions are either:
A: Disillusioned players destroyed by multi-runners
B: Fairly bad players who dont like clans and are always destroyed by clans.
C: People who have 10 multi countries and destroy other countries in the lower groups.

Your start sounds good... however, I have a feeling that later in the reset, about the middle of it, someone is going to launch 10 multies at you... this will severly damage your country. There are few ways to defend against this, excepting:

Build 80-100% SDI... at least 60% is needed always!
Build many turrets, and hundreds of troops (defense against ground strikes and BR's)

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Oh, and PS, If you want to get into the ARROW website I could give you my password and login ... then again I probably shouldn't (Bolo- please don't tell ARROW leadership I offered that )

	05-09-2001 20:53									#16
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No , neither of us in in A. I am in lowly N having played my first game last month. I joined late and did OK, I think, as a total newbie to finish 160th. I had no idea how to netgain at the end and could probably have been 50 places higher if I'd been able to suss that out.

I haven't asked Althena's which one she's in. It's a lot higher than N but it's not A.

She has posted her status now and she got a goodish start and lies 3rd. She's marginaally better than me but I have oodles more csites and have started the switch to techer. I am not doing the switch the conventional way and it is a bit of a toss up whether I can muddle through the way I'm trying to do it.

You must be right about standards. I can't see Althena lieing third if she was rubbing shoulders with lots of other competant players.

It continues to amaze me that when I look at spy reports I never see anyone with a sensible infrastructure. They all just muddle along.

I'll watch out for the multies. Some people just have way too much time on their hands!

Thanks for the offer on the password but I'll take a rain check on it if I may. I don't lack for strategy stuff and so on just at the minute. What I need is a better feel for the balances in the game.

Still enjoying it, I must say. Multies and all.

	06-09-2001 21:02									#17
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Well, looks to me that my simple method for switching works fine. I've got a thousand or so labs built and did my first research run to-day. I'm only researching 333 units a turn but tech attracts fancy prices at the start so I expect to get between 2800 and 3000 a point. On top of which my efficiency is improved.

One drawback to this approach is that with virtually no-one else yet teching my chance of finding three fellow techers to ally with is zero. The 30% boost which comes from three good tech allies seems to me the real icing on the techers cake.

But I've found one other player in my game. He can't be better than fair cause he's playing commie indie. But I reckon he might be up for swapping some of his turrets/tanks for my tech.

Anyway, he's given me his ICQ # and I'll see if I can get him to give it a try.

I'm getting better at landgrabbing. A point I've seen mentioned is that a target that turns out to yield buildings which match your strat is worth repeat hits. A point not mentioned is that if you find a csite rich target it's probably worth hitting all the time you get just one csite. That building alone is worth slightly more than one turn. So as long as the loss of military plus the loss of one turn's production is more than made up by whatever else you're getting from the repeated grab it's worthwhile.

Although I suppose there is the point that you're probably spoiling someone's whole round if you hit them too hard. And you may create yourself a very cross suicider.

	10-09-2001 17:01									#18
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The A1 re-set ends to-day. Bizarrely my country ends it as it has spent most of the round. Seeking to kill a trivial country which my esteemed leader has named as an enemy.

This one is particularly ridiculous as it is a kid who used to be in the legion I lead. Hecould not take the discipline and got himself booted so he could spend what remained of the re-set having fun. A part of the fun involved taking a whack at his old clan. Rather than ignoring this juvenile bit of monkey business young ALthena put his name in the enemy list and thus condemned me to hunt the little so and so down. To be spending the dieing turns of a re-set making hits is truly silly.

As that is how the whole set has gone my country will finish with just under $1 mill networth and ranked 6,000th odd. Pretty well exactly where it stood when I joined th clan two months back!

But it is just possible I may be able to use the ironies of this absurd situationh to get young Althena to understand the poverty of her thinking on the subject of street cred in Earth.

Meanwhile I played two poor sets of turns in my tourney game. The result is that I stand 20th while Althena stands 4th in hers. But I do not despair. I have the trust of about half a dozen of the leading players in my group and it turns out that I picked excellent allies.

I am going to pull down the leader and that will open the group up handily. Unfortunately the guy who I am most hand in glove with is a well placed second. I am not willing to stab him in the back so I expect that second is the best I can now hope for.

Unless there is someone here who can teach me the finer points of stockpiling?

	11-09-2001 15:37									#19
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Didn't need to pull down the leader. He is greedy and attacks top 10 players. So he hit one who promptly retaled for 900 acres. The retaler is now wide open. With luck the leader will hit straight back, the tanks will roll and the two of them will spiral down the rankings together.

Meanwhile I pulled off two good grabs for 800 acres without getting landfat. I am about 12th now and, if I am right in thinking that my recent targets have not got what it takes to get back at me then I may be starting to roll.

There is an all jetter who could be a pain. I had come across this idea before but this is the first time I've watched it working. Seemingly you just ignore defence completely relying on the fact that multiple hits take progressively less land and goodies. So you can hit for lots of acres with your big stack of jets but you only get hit back for 20 or 30 acres at a time.

I am assured this does not work but I will watch the guy doing it with interest. Might strike up a convesation. Sadly I was among the first to hit him (when he still gave good land) so he may harbour vindictive thoughts.

My efforts at persuading our Empress that machismo is bad news have made some progress. She has gone as far as to say that we won't bother much with retals for the early part of the re-set now starting. And she also says she won't name enemies to be killed off (a ludicrous and hideously costly exercise).

Whether she sticks to this is another matter. But she is a bright lass.

I am enjoying our chats on ICQ.

	13-09-2001 05:40									#20
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Well, the re-set on the 1A server ended in what I regard as a most unsatisfactory way. The top players all stockpile assets for quite a while before the end of a set and then spend everything suddenly in a way designed to increase their networth as much as possible. This is called making your jump. And after you make it you sit back to see whether anyone else's jump takes them passed you.

Well one guy sat at no 1 right to near the end. It was clear no-one would jump above him. But then all the clan members of the second guy just put together as much stuff as they could get together and gifted it to their mate lying second. that was enough to take him passed the top guy.

Now I suppose the top guy may have also benefitted fronm similar help from his own clan already. But it does kind of detract from the notion that the winner will be the player who played with the most individual skill.

I finished very poorly because of all my clan'e wars.

In my tourney game I am well placed. I have moved into the top ten and my economy is more soundly based than the rest. I am a bit exposed this evening but if all my goods sell overnight and I am not hit very hard then I may be able to put myself beyond the reach of any single competitor t-morrow.

The dogfight between the top guy and the other top tenner did not materialise so I am entertaining myself by putting together a coalition to pull down the #1. There is a certain danger in that but I have decided to have a go at it, for the experience if nothing else.

Also I have formed an ambition in the game. The top tourney game is game A. Many of the players there stay in A for a long time. Of course they know each other and have established alliances. They just eat up any interlopers brash enough to climb into their patch.

Well, my aim now is to get into that game - but to arrive with cronies of my own in tow. And then to topple the old guard.

So I need to forge some friendships now and to carry the players concerned with me into the top flight.

Could be fun.

	16-09-2001 02:35									#21
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... you'll have a hard time doing that... or coordinating anything unless you spend a large amount of time on the internet.

I was working with a group of 30 people and our highest person was 2000... believe me- you need at least three people in the top 1000 to keep your clan alive if you want to finish in the top 5000.

Good luck

	17-09-2001 23:30									#22
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Well, DarkCloud I am now in a position heartily to endorse your comment.

A lot of time is right!!!!

I arranged the attack to start at 06:00 Game Time. Fixing the time was plainly critical and I had spent a week battling through endless language problems, time zone problems and personal preferences/limitations as to when I am on line problems. But all was fixed, everyone said they could be there.

I logged in half an hour earlier and had the considerable pleasure of watching the target (through the trade pact window he forgot to close) make a total pigs ear of his moves. It was obvious that his stockpiling phase was in the process of beginning and the bozo built or bought in 2 million turrets (to add to the already excessive 1.5 million he already had). And what did he do about his wholly inadequate 125,000 tanks? NOTHING that's what.

So all was well, everyone could hit as planned and the attack would go home with no significant problems.

I was jubilant. It was very curious to be able to watch this as it was actually happening.

Subsequently I have realised that I could at that point simply have called the attack off. The 2 mill turrets was not only fatuous as far as effective defence goes it was fatal to decent stockpiling. I could just have elected to beat him by peaceful means.

But that didn't occur to me and anyway, I would probably have let things go on out of inertia, a desire to see what I had wrought come to fruition and blood lust.

Anyway, controlling my jubilation I waited for my allies to log on. It felt like being the host at a party. No one arrives and you decide they are not coming and the whole thing will flop. But then the pubs chuck out, thirty people arrive together and you are off and running.

Except the damn pubs obviously all had special hours licenses cause no one logged on - and then still no-one logged on.

Except one guy - bless him.

He had 200k spies in a smallish country and so was due to go in first to demoralise the target. Which he promply did. WITHOUT WAITING FOR ANYONE ELSE TO TURN UP.

That committed us. He got three through plus a military spy - readiness down to 78%, excellent. But not so excellent that we were now totally commited - some of his spies were caught so his name would be known to the target as soon as he next logged on.

Well, I had been due to attack third but I could hardly leave this guy out on the limb totally alone so in went my tanks. Nearly 2,000 buildings went down and he lost tanks at 3 to my 2 (I had stocked up on all the military techs including weapons and medical). Which was needful as some of the smaller allies could only hit if his tank total went down enough.

And then I sat and waited for them to come and do their hits. And waited. And waited.

Well by the time I finally went to bed about three had drifted along.

The two most important came on line but one told me on ICQ that the game site was not letting him in (???) and the other would not speak to me.

And the trade pact window told me the damn target now had a cash pile of $120 mill.

I went to bed thinking I would wake up to a wrecked country and that the rest of the month would be spent staring at the ruins and working like mad to achieve any sort of respectable finishing position.

But happily not so. When I awoke, hey presto the others has finally arrived and done their stuff. One or two other enemies of the target took the chance to retal him and he finished up losing 8,000 buildings. He started with 13,000 so that is fatal to his chances of winning. And he did not even use the $120 mill cash pile to strike back with. He appears just to have abandoned his country altogether.

My principal ally is now at no. 1. His explanation as to being so late is a curious one. He says that he had to wait till his goods had sold and could not attack before. Now that is hard to swallow for more than one reason. And it certainly does not explain him sitting with his ICQ set to message and receiving one message after another from me without responding.

But who cares. He came in which is all that matters. So all his delay cost me was some nerves.

I learned a huge amount which made it worth doing. But God knows how many hours and hours it cost me to set up. Bloody endless.

Good job I love silly bloody games.

	20-09-2001 19:22									#23
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I brought off a 3,000 acre hit - which I thought would be my last before stockpiling - but the wretched victim, instead of rolling over and playing dead somehow managed to retal (partly by getting the benefit of declaring war). Of course he got a good bit less back because of all my tech but it is still irksome. I had cancelled out of two of my offensive alliances after the hit but that may turn out well. I am not sure it is well known but when an aggressor shares one or more of the victim's defensive allies that ally or allies are not taken into account in calculating the outcome of the battle.

So I have made offers to both this guy's defensive allies in respect of my empty slot. One of them has been courting me anyway and I will look like a gift from the Gods to the other. If they sign up I can attack the victim just me on him. Which will be a slaughter. I will stock up on weapons, M. Strategy and Medical before I make a PS.

Then I'll try to make a deal. Something like non-aggression for the remainder of the round if he pays me some reasonable reparations.

It is odd playing one set of turns (in tourney) with a 15,000 acre, 4,000 tech points a turn country; then immediately turning to play an early country in A1 with just 1,500 acres and less that 100,000 units.

I played in luck for a couple of sets of turns but I've just had a peek via Gamerstown and I got hit twice - both PS, ouch. So now I've work to do to recover. Still a promising start, though. The clan's doing OK also.

	27-09-2001 18:10									#24
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This month's tourney is within two days of finishing.

I have been discovering the joys of stockpiling.

Turns out not to be as straightforward as I expected and I have not got clear of my rivals. So whether I win or not is now an open question.

I still think I'll get home but there is one guy who is 2 mill in networth ahead. If he has a good stockpile then I won't go past him.

But I don't see how he can have, really. He is playing indie and his expenses will be way too high for good stockpiling.

I suppose I could do a spy mission but, if it showed he has got a fat stockpile there is not really enough time left to do anything about it. So I don't think I'll bother.

I am playing so badly in 1A that I don't even want to think about it. AAAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHH.

	27-09-2001 20:07									#25
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Keep writing EST, I enjoy reading it.

	28-09-2001 01:38									#26
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How you doin' in 1A? I'm up around 450k right now. I started off with no plan, but recently moved to indycommie. I joined up with a clan: Neofed, because I was constantly getting landgrabbed.

	09-10-2001 11:38									#27
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I'm sitting pretty at 3.6M in 1a at the moment.. top 150 =)

oh.. and btw, nice writing EST...

and one more thing..

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	14-10-2001 21:51									#28
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Well, I didn't know anyone else was reading this thread - it was a sort of diary, really.

Anyway, for those interested, I squeaked home in last month's tourney game.

It was very close in the end. I stayed on-line most of the last day. I put myself just in front - hoping to provoke the guy who was, by then, pretty well my only competitor, into making his last move.

In the end, he did. He sent his stock of missiles at me.

It is a weakness of Theo techer that you can only have 60% SDI. Well, every single one of his wretched missiles got thro'. ****.

So now I was 700,000 net down on him. The bit I had saved up would bridge most of that gap but not all of it. But all was not lost. I still had my stock of missiles and, even if, by bad luck, not enough got through to pull him back I reckoned I could probably knock a lump off him with a PM attack supported by a declaration of war.

Well, I was very tired and it was about 4 am. And the best way to make my last moves would be to make them with about 10 mins to go before the end. That would leave him no time to organise any final throw of his own.

There were about two to three hours to go and I decided to take a nap. Ordinarily I can count on waking up at exactly the time I tell myself too. But this time the wheels came off and I overslept.

**** again.

So I went into the game only to find, as feared, that it was finished. And then I found that nothing tells you the result. Apparently Swirve send out e-mails but I think the one to me may have been screened out by my junk mail filter.

Anyway, the thing which turned out to have preserved the win for me, once I finally found out I'd won, was this. Just before going to bed I sent messages to my loyal allies telling them of the missiles flying about my ears and inviting them, if they felt like being friendly, to send some back.

Which seemingly they did, honest fellows all.

And to such good effect that my first place was restored.

A good way to win, I think. They had been very good allies throughout and I had done as much as I could for them whenever opportunity offered.

Anyway we are well into this month's game now. I am playing in 2B. The standard is a bit higher in that at least people play a recognisable strategy; but I am not too impressed otherwise. I lie handily placed in about 100th moving up reasonaly steadily. For a couple of sets of moves I thought I was losing too much ground to the leaders but tech prices are good (I am a Theo techer reseller again) so I think I'll catch up to them. I'm struggling to find fellow techers with whom to ally. If I could just find two or three we would definately figure in the shake up.

OmniGod - we (Berserk that is) have just signed a NAP with REDVirus. I'm a bit behind you, 2 and a quarter mill net at the moment. Happy to share information with you if you like. I could give you the details of two very easy targets right now, as it happens. I'm #843 in 1A; who are you?

	15-10-2001 04:31									#29
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Yes, yes you did Squire Furious. =) Althena gave me ambassador access to your site with the NAP inplace.... BTW... I shot up to 5.75M now =) Gotta love the dicta casher =) I'll be checking the berserk site if you want to ask questions, as some of your members have already done on ICQ. =)

And personally I think you should offer some reps for your retal after the signing of the NAP.... You hurt a good friend of mine, and the words of the NAP were that retals due were forgotten... just a thought...

Last edited by OmniGod on 15-10-2001 at 04:42

	16-10-2001 18:45									#30
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I have yet, sir to see any proof that my retal was indeed after the time at which the agreement was reached.

From my perspective it was simple. I visited our retal forum, chose my hit, went in-game, spent a few minutes setting it up (10 mins tops), made the hit and returned to the forum to post the result only to find that the thread had been removed (seemingly with the other REDVirus retals which we have generously forgone ).

Now just maybe Althena took for ever and a day to get around to taking the retals off the forum after the agreement was reached. But I doubt it cause she is both keen and efficient. (Too keen and efficient, some might say, ).

I have seen no evidence to support your friend's contention that the retal was truly late.

Although, frankly, it's getting a bit ancient history, this.

Congrats on your progress. You must be getting close to being in contention, I take it?