29-08-2001 03:17									#1
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EDIT: Updated players' list

I had posted a thread about this scen that generated not much interest

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=23696

or at least that's what I thought. I was suggested to organize a PBEM with this scen, as the best way to decide if it's worth releasing it or not (i.e. is it fun or not).

Okay, let's go in to it. The scen plays in a very SpanishPrideish-mode but in Latin America. There are two options: start from the very beginning or let the AI play a good bunch of turns and then take it from there. Suggestions? Players?

The scen can be downloaded from the above thread. Please replace the rules.txt in it with the one included with this post. It seems there was a little bug hidden somewhere.

The players:

Colombians -- Ydiiby
Argentinians -- El Awrence
Americans -- Marquis de Sodaq
Cubans -- Jay Bee
Mexicans -- Yaroslav
Peruvians -- (AI)
Brazilians -- Waku


Since there is already two people who signed in, the game will start right away. It'd be nice if at least one other joins

Attachment: rules.txt
This has been downloaded 19 time(s).

Last edited by Jay Bee on 28-02-2002 at 03:12

	29-08-2001 04:01									#2
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Guess.

	29-08-2001 13:26									#3
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I say give Martín the Cubans!

	29-08-2001 15:10									#4
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Is PBEM the same as a succession game? In those, instead of mailing the save game, we've posted on the forum as an attachment. I'll join, but will need some details about how it works (switch human player with cheat mode? etc...).

As a norteamericano, I suppose I'd be in as the Gringos.

	30-08-2001 01:16									#5
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As El Awrence chose the cubans I'll choose the argentinians



ooops!
someone's gonna *kick me in my groin"

OK! OK!
I'll take the brazilians

	30-08-2001 01:41									#6
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Ha-Ha[/sarcastic laugh]

Who's going to kick you in the groin, Waku?

*puts Fiera and Waku in a cage and throws them into the gorge of eternal peril*

:banned: :banned:

*cackles demonically*

	30-08-2001 02:08									#7
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Okay, thanks guys for your willingness to play Game starts tomorrow!!!

I will start the game from turn 50, just to speed things up. Next
to play will be Abe, then Waku, Elawr, marquis, me again, etc, etc

Note: I'll play the Fidelians. Wanna get strong challenges Cuba vencerá!!!


Colombians --
Argentinians -- ElAwrence
Americans -- Marquis de Sodac
Cubans -- Jay Bee
Mexicans --
Peruvians -- Abendua
Brazilians -- Waku




Marquis,

You need the MGE version. I assume you have it. If not say so It's fairly easy to play. Files are of the .net extension. You just receive the game from the previous player, play, end your turn by pressing Ctrl-N (view menu, bottom) (THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT!), password it and post it here. Q's? Just ask

	30-08-2001 02:11									#8
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quote: Some criticisms... sorry they didn't come before.

Yep, you should have done this before

quote: First, the map... let's see, it's weird, all over. I'm sure I can find some better ones and edit them for you more appropriately, particularly the Cono Sur.

What do you mean by all over? I really like that map

quote: Secondly, I don't like things like "Death Squad" units very much. The connotation they have might bother Latin Americans.

Point taken.

quote: Lastly, I find not enough stress on the 1850-1950 period in Latin American history which is the time when Latin America arose from it's old colonial existance as modern nations, the renaissance of Latin America.

Correct. That's precisely the area where I wanted/needed more feedback. Reasons are obviosu I think...

quote: Also, maybe for the leaders you might want to choose some historical figures. Menem... *pukes*

Just got current leaders. Again suggestions welcome. be specific please.

quote: In any case, looks like a nice scen

Let's see how it goes in terms of gameplay

	30-08-2001 02:12									#9
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C'mon guys, only two open slots!

	30-08-2001 02:13									#10
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I want to play, but I haven't a favorite tribe... So, I can be the Brazilians or other. But I have problem: I can only come to the Forum one of two days...

	30-08-2001 02:15									#11
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Also, what happened with the independence wars?

Last edited by Jay Bee on 30-08-2001 at 02:31

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quote: Some criticisms... sorry they didn't come before.

Yep, you should have done this before

quote: First, the map... let's see, it's weird, all over. I'm sure I can find some better ones and edit them for you more appropriately, particularly the Cono Sur.

What do you mean by all over? I really like that map

quote: Secondly, I don't like things like "Death Squad" units very much. The connotation they have might bother Latin Americans.

Point taken.

quote: Lastly, I find not enough stress on the 1850-1950 period in Latin American history which is the time when Latin America arose from it's old colonial existance as modern nations, the renaissance of Latin America.

Correct. That's precisely the area where I wanted/needed more feedback. Reasons are obviosu I think...

quote: Also, maybe for the leaders you might want to choose some historical figures. Menem... *pukes*

Just got current leaders. Again suggestions welcome. be specific please.

quote: In any case, looks like a nice scen

Let's see how it goes in terms of gameplay

	30-08-2001 02:24									#13
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quote: Originally posted by yaroslav I want to play, but I haven't a favorite tribe... So, I can be the Brazilians or other.

Brazilians are taken. Colombians or Mexicans.

quote: But I have problem: I can only come to the Forum one of two days...

That should not be a problem as long as you play your turns promptly


Welcome aboard!

	30-08-2001 02:29									#14
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quote: Originally posted by El Awrence Also, what happened with the independence wars?

He, he, you discovered one of the main reasons this scen was never released That would have gone in the events. Not indicated for multiplayer though. Anyway, I found that for a modpack-type scen the independence wars are quite difficult to depict without seriously compromising gameplay. It could be done though...

	30-08-2001 02:32									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Jay Bee Brazilians are taken. Colombians or Mexicans. That should not be a problem as long as you play your turns promptly Welcome aboard!

I will take Mexicans.... And I suposse that I will go to war agaisnt Marquis de Sodaq

I beg pardon to all no-latino but I need going to spanish:

Jay. Yo me puedo conectar solo la mitad de los dias. Los dias que me conecte envio los turnos, y además los jugare muy rápido para postear varios la misma noche si es posible, pero tengo esa restricción. Si no es molestia para vosotros (junto con que va a ser mi primera partiba PBEM) me apunto encantado

	30-08-2001 02:34									#16
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As for the map, it's strange. It's nice. But in the South, the Andes seem to be moved too much to the west. Terrain is all wrong in the Cono Sur at least. And the southeastern areas of Brazil seem to need more jungle. I like the shape, I'll tweak it a little and send it over.

The period between 1850 and 1950 saw the exponential growth in Latin America. Sound immigration policies (might want to have this like a seudo-pyramid wonder maybe, or Adam Smith's), foreign investment (again could be done as a wonder) and new industries caused Latin America to rise to great status in the world, in a time when nations like Brazil, Argentina and Chile could very much decide their fates as well as influence South America, as they rivalled the US in power and influence, although the US was still a strong economic portion.

It was also a very turbulent time. In 1865, the Guerra del Paraguay was fought, in 1880s, the Guerra del Salitre, in 1884 there was a coup in Peru and in 1888 the Brazilian Empire was dissolved, in the 1870s there was the Conquista del Desierto, and between 1880 and 1910 Argentina and Chile were on the brink of war many times. Then in 1930 we had the Chaco War and such, as well as the turbulence and decline of Latin America after the 1929 crash and the emergence of conservatives who tried to rebuild from the pieces.

For Argentina, you could have Julio Argentino Roca, Alfredo Palacios, Nicolas Avellaneda, Domingo Faustino Sarmiento and several others. In Peru, I think the guy who led the 1884 coup is very popular. Same for the guy who caused the Brazilian empire to fall.

	30-08-2001 02:36									#17
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No poblemo. Como vas detras de mi te mando el savegame por e-mail y si no puedes postearlo aqui se lo mandas a Abendua por e-mail tambien.

	30-08-2001 02:42									#18
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About the independence wars, you could have more alluding wonders. I dunno, those that make people happy types. For Bolivar, I dunno, maybe an "Ejercito de los Andes" wonder. Also, naval wonders you might want to adjudicate to Chile one of them at least.

	30-08-2001 02:46									#19
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quote: Originally posted by El Awrence About the independence wars, you could have more alluding wonders. I dunno, those that make people happy types. For Bolivar, I dunno, maybe an "Ejercito de los Andes" wonder. Also, naval wonders you might want to adjudicate to Chile one of them at least.

Don't forget this is a modpack-type scenario. The wonders are not adjudicated. They must be built. Anybody can build anything. Chile is not in.

BTW, I was expecting you to ask me why I chose the civs I chose

	30-08-2001 16:35									#20
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Ok, I wil take the colombians. I can play regulary during 1 and 1/2 week, but after that i can only play on weekends. Let me know if that´s a problem. Send me private message if you need my e-mail (guess its public, use that of "Alfonsus72").
Some questions:
When we start?
are there any time limit to send the game file?

	30-08-2001 19:52									#21
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BTW, who is Abendua?

	30-08-2001 21:00									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Waku BTW, who is Abendua?

I'm surprised he hasn't posted to this thread yet He's a real old-timer. I know him from the "Addicted to Civilization" times

	30-08-2001 21:17									#23
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Well, this is the final order:

Colombians -- Alfonsus
Argentinians -- ElAwrence
Americans -- Marquis de Sodac
Cubans -- Jay Bee
Mexicans -- Yaroslav
Peruvians -- Abendua
Brazilians -- Waku


IMPORTANT:
You have max 2 days to play your turn. If after that time the turn hasn't been posted, you will be skipped and the next player on the list plays.

Hope this is okay with all of you, but I think it's the only way to get this thing 'stably' going


I'll start the game later tonite. Given yaroslav's problems I will post the save here and also send it to him by e-mail.

Good luck y'all!

Last edited by Jay Bee on 30-08-2001 at 21:25

	31-08-2001 02:10									#24
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THE GAME HAS BEGUN!!!!

Nextto play is Yaroslav

Attachment: bol1jay.net
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	31-08-2001 02:14									#25
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This is great, do not have Yaroslav's e-mail!!!!

Anyone can help?

	31-08-2001 22:01									#26
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My e-mail is: jmunozk@clientes.unicaja.es

Well, I download the file bol1jay.net and "play" my turn... Well, I expect that I do all corecctly (I don't press ENTER when my turn off, I set the password, I save the game and I put the file there). I have 1 City and 2 two Units, not good! In 50 turns, the AI could build other city
And, I can't move my second unit: the computer did him the order go to... But I except that I can be a not very bad player for you!

Here are my file:

Attachment: bol1yar.net
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	31-08-2001 22:23									#27
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quote: Originally posted by yaroslav (I don't press ENTER when my turn off, I set the password, I save the game and I put the file there).

Tienes que pulsar CTRL+N antes de salvar tu turno Yaros

	31-08-2001 22:35									#28
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Hi guys,

Looking forward to having fun with this.

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	31-08-2001 23:13									#29
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Bienvenu Abendua!

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	01-09-2001 00:05									#30
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Le pongo CRTL+N y no reacciona, ¿lo tengo que cargar como para 1 jugador o como para multijugador? y si es para multi ¿que tipo de conexión?. Lo siento, es mi primer PBM.....