29-08-2001 05:28									#1
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I can't say I like any of these governments. The most efficient government, in my opinion, is corporate republic. Gold is the key to everything. As my Civ II advisor aptly put it, "it is wealth that moves the world, and profit that rules it." Gold keeps the people and city improvements under your control, rush-buys anything, and pays for research. If you have gold, you're safe.

What government is your favorite?

	29-08-2001 11:23									#2
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In the early game, theocracy is amazing, its much better than Monarchy, its available almost right away, and you get clerics, which are good for exploring with along with slavers.

In the late game, ecotopia. I LOVE ECO-RANGERS!!!

	29-08-2001 12:18									#3
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Yeah, in the late game Corporate Republic is far too good (unless you want eco rangers ). The gold lets you build almost as fast as Technocracy, and research almost as fast as Virtual Democracy. It's a shame the research powerhouse of V.D. isn't available until so late in the tech tree, so you can't really research much with it.

If you want fair & balanced govt.s use CDs mod or the MedMod (constitutional monarchy! Never tried it, but it sounds cool).

	30-08-2001 08:58									#4
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I enact theocracy in the early game. I used to keep it until I got corporate republic, because I had moral reasons against communism and fascism, and practical reasons against democracy. (Theocracy is a wonderful government really: each extra city costs only half a happiness point!) But then I made my own government, military dictatorship. That represents how I personally would have run my empire. To make up for it's efficiency, I never switch out of it. It provides for 75 cities, and each extra city costs one point. I can provide for 100 cities, but beyond that is.......... nightmare.

I wonder why some people think ecotopia is a great military government? I enacted it once to get eco-rangers for a revenge operation. The poor production kills all military effort. My army support was unbearably high, and I would have had to wait for 70 turns to get my eco-rangers. I rush bought them after a while, when that got cheaper...

	30-08-2001 15:00									#5
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I always tried to get to Technocracy, for its production value. In combination with Gaia Controller and AI Entity it was unbeatable after maxing out the sliders. The only thing what I had to do save early and often and if the AI Entity revolted, I went back to the last turn and made shure that the citiciens of the AI Entity city arecontent even without the wonder, so play on.

-Martin

	30-08-2001 15:41									#6
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Ecotopia is best after you've spent a while in corporate republic, and got a huge gold stockpile. By the time I could research ecotopia, there isn't enough resistance from the enemy for production speeds to be a problem.

	31-08-2001 08:31									#7
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Sorry, the lure of Fascism is too great. Too think that there is a unit that has the same attack as a tank, in an age of Musketeers, cannot be overlooked! Plus the science is a boost..... I will usaully ride Fascism too C.Rep or even through the whole game.

I also enjoy using theocracy till C.Republic. Democracy is a bad choice tho. Bad production... Communism is also a bad choice. Bad pollution ..

	04-09-2001 12:15									#8
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I pretty much go the Theocracy --> Corporate Republic route too.

It's all a money issue!

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Fascism's advantage in the early middle game are too good to overlook. More often than not that special unit is enough to blow away pikemen/catapult combos. The high production power is a plus for obvious reasons. Just make sure the bank account is substantial and that you have many scientists/science improvements.

	09-09-2001 05:07									#10
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I go stright to theocracy and stay with it till I can get CR

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Ok there has been no action in this forum for days. I think age is finally taking its toll on CTP.

Anyway, Fascism is awesome. good Science, good growth, good military.

I am only Communist in some of my PBEM games. Where all the human players have gobbled up the land and goods. All I have left is a small civ. So I need production, which is why Communism is a good 3rd world nation government.

If your on top of the world, I wouldnt bother with communism!

	20-09-2001 18:53									#12
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Ecotopia would have to be my fave. Infecting enemies major trade capitals with the nanovirus is just way too much fun. And getting happiness bonuses/celebrations in your civ every time you do something absolutely rotten to someone else in the game is absolutely hilarious.

	23-09-2001 21:29									#13
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I've got to try Ecotopia at least once. I feel like I'm missing something!

	01-10-2001 00:34									#14
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What you're missing, jpww, is killing your soldiers by accident. The first time I tried to eco-ranger the enemy, I didn't know that this thing destroys not only the city, but everything in the city radius. I lost quite a few units.

	01-10-2001 02:16									#15
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I remember losing a slaver when I nuked an enemy city a long time ago... Oops!

	01-10-2001 04:58									#16
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Ecotopia Sucks......


Production is horrible. Even tho you get rangers, it takes like 40 turns to build one


Ya once I had 9 marines outside a city when I nuked it. Had forgot that nuke pollution kills also

	02-10-2001 05:47									#17
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Corporate Republic was a standard favorite of mine until I realized the pollution costs involved, so now I might use it for just a while for the production and switch to ecotopia. Ecotopia is fine after you have the Star Ladder with one or more cities with Nanite Factories.
Of course, once Gaia Theory is in place, I don't have the pollution problem and it depends on the circumstances -- either Corp. Rep. or Virtual Democracy.

	02-10-2001 14:25									#18
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I wonder at all the peeps who say Ecotopia sucks due to production?!?! By the time I get to Ecotopia Tech I have terraformed most of the land around me to green hills, and nearly every city has mills, factories, oil refineries, nuclear plants, robotic plants, drug stores, fusion plants etc etc... and they are mostly surrounded by mega mines. I can still pump out nearly any unit in 2 turns max.... Whilst I still have all the enjoyment of watching every city in an enemies civ riot and rebel when I destroy all the improvements in every trade-linked city with the nanovirus. You blew up your own units using an eco-ranger?!?! That's why you don't like Ecotopia?!?! lmao....

	02-10-2001 15:40									#19
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I killed my own city with an eco ranger once by accident but that didn't put me off Ecotopia (Not that I use it much - doesn't have a big enough city limit is the main problem).

	02-10-2001 19:04									#20
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You can have 110 cities without any penalties in Ecotopia too

	03-10-2001 19:06									#21
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Yeah, I suppose another 10 in VD doesn't really help that much...

	05-10-2001 04:54									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Fuzzball I wonder at all the peeps who say Ecotopia sucks due to production?!?! By the time I get to Ecotopia Tech I have terraformed most of the land around me to green hills, and nearly every city has mills, factories, oil refineries, nuclear plants, robotic plants, drug stores, fusion plants etc etc... and they are mostly surrounded by mega mines.

I'm too busy training my soldiers to build tile improvements. At one point, I improve every tile my people are working, and this is it. Unless, of course, there's an emergency. Why infect the enemy's cities when you can capture them and use their wealth?
No, blowing up my units is not the reason I dislike ecotopia. It's just a ridiculous incident I stated. I don't like it because an eco-ranger takes forever to build.

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Love that avatar Faded Glory!

	05-10-2001 20:32									#24
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Hey but honestly.. A simple switch from Communism/Fasicism to Ecotopia can mean the difference between having 30,000 production under one and then having 15,000. Its just not worth it...in my opinion


edit-I have never seen an enemy ecotopia. No humans in PBEM or vs AI

	05-10-2001 23:31									#25
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Looking at the results it looks as though Corporate Republic is everyones favorite, and unsurprisingly Monarchy, Republic and Democracy have no votes. The first two have essentially no use and Democracy is useful only in very specific circumstances (a short term improvement to research at the cost of everything else...).

I've never seen an enemy Ecotopia either, but I haven't been in a PBEM game at that stage in tech.

	06-10-2001 00:57									#26
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I vote for Theocracy in the early game too. I typically try to stay a Theocracy until Communism or Fascism, although I have run out of city size before then (at which point I would ride Democracy). The late game depends on the situation. Some cases demand Corporate Republic, some cases demand Technocracy.

I've never tried Ecotopia. Not having any characteristic rated as "Excellant," it just never appealled to me. Given all this discussion about it, though, I'm even more tempted to try it and make it work.

Surprisingly, I have a friend who actually prefers Monarchy to Theocracy. He claims Monarchy is much better for attacking than Theocracy. Given Monarchy's better threshold for unhappiness for units not in cities, I can see why he would think that.

	06-10-2001 12:44									#27
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I dont know how you can vote for an old gov't like Theocracy. I mean, were talking about governments that you keep until the game ends, dont we? so here goes: CR is the best gov't. It gives you SO much gold that even virtual democracy's science wont catch up. Besides that, it has 3rd best prod, THE BEST grewth, and the bit about military: all governments are the same. Units all have the same strength. (unless youre playing my modpack).
Theocracy has only ONE(1) advantage. Production and everithing else is slowed. so CR it is ppl! plus the prod bonus is not that much bigger...

	07-10-2001 02:00									#28
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Ever tried 9 clerics selling indulgences on an unsuspecting enemy city? That's 27 gold every single turn!

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quote: Originally posted by SoulFisher Ever tried 9 clerics selling indulgences on an unsuspecting enemy city? That's 27 gold every single turn!

Nope. never tried it, but 27 gold is pathetic. U'd have to make a hundred clerics to get some status on your Gold.

	08-10-2001 05:55									#30
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Umm Clerics suck except for one thing!


Get 5 or 6 of em and Soothsay a city. It will revolt