01-09-2001 02:51									#1
	Ladies and Gentlemen of Europe Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

Well thankyou Snapcase for the news and now this seems to be almost a confirmation that we, as Europeans, are second class citizens, or treated as such, by not ensuring a simultaneous release date across the world. I am sickened by this as all other companies seem to have grown beyond this laziness.

Vote with your feet people, download from warez.

Richard 'Provost' Harrison.

Last edited by MarkG on 01-09-2001 at 03:08

	01-09-2001 03:02									#2
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

How long is the delay?

	01-09-2001 03:04									#3
	Increase the size of your Attachments

Mid november, no big deal, nothing new.

	01-09-2001 03:06									#4
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

Read the article BC. 2-3 weeks!

	01-09-2001 03:07									#5
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

2-3 weeks after US isn't that bad.

I can think of other things to complain about, like the cost of car insurance....

	01-09-2001 03:07									#6
	Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

Bummer. Not only do we have to suffer the Yanks' eternal ramblings about Bush, we also have to listen to how fantastic civ3 is

Oh well - suppose it gives me an extra three weeks to buy my new computer

	01-09-2001 03:10									#7
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

Damn, the title has been edited. I considered it to be a lot more eloquent with the extra bit on the end

Well considering Infogrames, the publisher IS A EUROPEAN COMPANY, I expect a lot better!

	01-09-2001 03:10									#8
	Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

lets see if civ3 actually ships in october first....

	01-09-2001 03:10									#9
	Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

Read the article BC

He he, I never bother reading the news, I just read reactions on threads, it saves time.

	01-09-2001 03:13									#10
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

And this is from an European publishing company. Can't blame the US for this one.

	01-09-2001 03:33									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison Read the article BC. 2-3 weeks!

Only 2-3 weeks? Are you sure? Thats absolutely great! For a while I suspected at least 4-8 weeks.

2-3 weeks delay is just about exactly right. It give you time to read important mag-reviews and Civ fan-site reactions. The 3-4 weeks delay of CTP-2, for example, saved me from the mistake of buying yet another fullpriced disappointment. I dont think that will happen with Civ-3 though, but since they wont pre-release a demo, I cant make my own judgement.

	01-09-2001 03:47									#12
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It takes time to produce the boxes and it costs money to store everything until you’ve got enough copies to release it everywhere simultaneously.
And since US is a bigger market I don’t think you can blame them for releasing it there first. (While producing the rest of the boxes for sales elsewhere)

Besides, 2-3 weeks doesn’t seem all too bad, I'd feared 2-3 months.

	01-09-2001 03:56									#13
	Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

quote: Originally posted by mark13 Bummer. Not only do we have to suffer the Yanks' eternal ramblings about Bush, we also have to listen to how fantastic civ3 is

Ramblings? More like bltching. Besides, with work and grad school, it'll be the holidays before I find time to play Civ3 which means that even though I will be able to get a hold of Civ3, I sure as hell won't be able to play.

I think my fate is even worse...to actually be able to own the game, and still not be able to play it. Though by waiting a bit I'll probably be able to get at least a few bucks off the initial release price.

	01-09-2001 04:39									#14
	Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

quote: Originally posted by Colon It takes time to produce the boxes and it costs money to store everything until you’ve got enough copies to release it everywhere simultaneously. And since US is a bigger market I don’t think you can blame them for releasing it there first. (While producing the rest of the boxes for sales elsewhere) Besides, 2-3 weeks doesn’t seem all too bad, I'd feared 2-3 months.

Oh come on, if other games companies can manage a simultaneous release, I am sure a company the size of Infogrames can more than comfortably manage it. As I have stated, there were never any problems with SMAC. Why is Civ3 any different, especially for a European company!!!

	01-09-2001 04:48									#15
	Re: Ladies and Gentlemen of Europe Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison we, as Europeans, are second class citizens, or treated as such, by not ensuring a simultaneous release date across the world. I am sickened by this as all other companies seem to have grown beyond this laziness.

Oh, give it a rest Provost! It's not like the future of the free world (sic) is HANGING from it

	01-09-2001 05:17									#16
	Re: Ladies and Gentlemen of Europe Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison Vote with your feet people, download from warez.

Ignorant question: What is/are "warez"??

	01-09-2001 05:21									#17
	Re: Re: Ladies and Gentlemen of Europe Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

quote: Originally posted by Ilkuul Ignorant question: What is/are "warez"??

Warez are games that have been hacked so that you can get them without paying a dime. A way to get the game without paying for it, unfortunately that means the producer gets less money and stops making new games.

	01-09-2001 05:22									#18
	Re: Re: Ladies and Gentlemen of Europe Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

quote: Originally posted by Ilkuul Ignorant question: What is/are "warez"??

Pirated versions of software (including games) which can be found and downloaded from the web.

They are illegal.

	01-09-2001 15:46									#19
	Re: Re: Ladies and Gentlemen of Europe Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 Oh, give it a rest Provost! It's not like the future of the free world (sic) is HANGING from it

No it's far more important than that.

And this thing about warez where tniem seemed to have a snide dig about my stance. Well why should we have to wait any longer than the rest of the world for it? Whatever happened to equality?

	01-09-2001 17:01									#20
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Well why should we have to wait any longer than the rest of the world for it? Whatever happened to equality?

Does the US and Canada constitute the Rest of the World (outside Europe)?

PH your argument is akin to a man at a supermarket in a long queue, walking out the store without paying, simply because someone else is in a shorter queue.

	01-09-2001 17:12									#21
	Inflate your Upload Space

No biggie, 2-3 weeks. We here at Asia-Pacific probably have to wait at least that long too.


Provost,

Lack of booze bugging ya?

	01-09-2001 17:36									#22
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

We must wait 2 - 3 weeks? Damn, I wish the EU army would already exist.

BTW, Provost, for the English it should be much easier: simply buy the US version...

	01-09-2001 17:54									#23
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

” Oh come on, if other games companies can manage a simultaneous release, I am sure a company the size of Infogrames can more than comfortably manage it. As I have stated, there were never any problems with SMAC. Why is Civ3 any different, especially for a European company!!!”

Was SMAC released simultaneously?

This isn’t an issue of size or origin of the publisher but one of the production and distribution strategies used. SMAC was published by Electronic Arts and both companies have a different organisation, different facilities and different strategies.
Maybe EA finds it worth the effort to release games simultaneously or maybe they had the facilities to do so without costing it too much.
You can’t tell until you know the technical details of the story.

	01-09-2001 18:10									#24
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

quote: Originally posted by Colon Was SMAC released simultaneously?

Nope. First it was released in the Asia/Pacific region, a few days later in the US and about a week after that in Europe. I remember I used to flame Americans who said it was unpatriotic that EA released it in Asia first...