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Yog-Sothoth
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Trondheim, Norway
Sep 2000
time: 06:15
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I would think some sort of napoleon era Infantry could be the French unique unit.
Edit: I think the name is Line Infantry or something like that.
Last edited by Yog-Sothoth on 02-09-2001 at 01:51
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Alfonsus72
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Confirmed:
French- Musketeers
English- Man-o-war
My predictions:
Persians- Inmortals
Japanese samurai? umm, that makes the japanese golden age unhistorical.
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Alfonsus72
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I believe it cause its logical: if golden age starts when your special unit wins a combat, the units must be from the historical age of the historical golen age of that civ. So english Man-o-war and french musketeer are good units for both of them.
What Iīm not sure is about japanese Samurais, cause Japan started his expansion historically about 1860. Samurais are very famous units, but they fighter mainly in what we could call now japanese civil wars. I would prefer a japanese unit of WW2, like Zero fighter, but I guess that info is also accurate and finally it will be the samurai.
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Kenobi
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quote:
Originally posted by Alfonsus72
I believe it cause its logical: if golden age starts when your special unit wins a combat, the units must be from the historical age of the historical golen age of that civ. So english Man-o-war and french musketeer are good units for both of them.
What Iīm not sure is about japanese Samurais, cause Japan started his expansion historically about 1860. Samurais are very famous units, but they fighter mainly in what we could call now japanese civil wars. I would prefer a japanese unit of WW2, like Zero fighter, but I guess that info is also accurate and finally it will be the samurai. |
Not true on the expansion front. The Samurai/bushi class came to the fore in the Japanese middle-ages, particularly during the Taira-Minamoto wars over the Shogunate. Samurai defended Japan against Mongol/Chinese invasions in the time of Kublai Khan, and invaded Korea in the 16th Century. That leaves a couple of opportunities for the Japanese to trigger a Golden Age.
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Bleyn
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IIRC, I think the name you are trying to think of for the Aztec unit would be the Jaguar warriors, or something like that. I remember them, and another type of Aztec warrior being mentioned in another thread.
And as for the French, yes, I would agree that the King's Musketeers are a good choice. But... If it had to be a Napoleonic unit, it wouldn't be a Line Infantry unit. It would be the Old Guard of the Imperial Guards. These were men who were with Napoleon's army from at least 1803, if not all the way back to the battle of Marengo(sp?). These are the ones who were with him through practically everything, and to my recollection were only really routed once, and that was at Waterloo. They were the best trained and best equipped of Napoleon's army.
Many of the French Line Infantry units, especially in the later half of his reign, just weren't that good. The British Peninsular army under Wellington regularly pounded on the French. The only real trouble Wellington really had in Spain was that his Spanish allies were often perfect examples of the saying "With friends like these, who needs enemies?" [No disrespect intended to anyone from modern day Spain. Its just a fact of history that the Spanish army in the first twenty years of the 1800's was one of the worst in Europe.]
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Alfonsus72
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quote:
Originally posted by Bleyn
The only real trouble Wellington really had in Spain was that his Spanish allies were often perfect examples of the saying "With friends like these, who needs enemies?" [No disrespect intended to anyone from modern day Spain. Its just a fact of history that the Spanish army in the first twenty years of the 1800's was one of the worst in Europe.] |
Probably thatīs why in 1808, at the begining of french invasion of the peninsula, the french army were defeated by spanish at Bailen, taken 20,000 prisioners of your beloved veteran guard of Napoleon, with no help of that Wellington, whose troops has in fact orders of non colaborate with spanish resistance and destroy all the spanish industrial facilities they could.
That spanish army (worst of europe for you) alson won many battles in the early XIX, before french invasion they won an small war against Portugal (both spanish and portugese didnīt wanted to fight, but french and english forced them to did it), and they defeated Nelson at Tenerife, where he lost many ships and men and one of his arms.
The problem was that the regular army collapsed soon under the french invasion, and resistance was done mainly by civilians.
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A young Mexican lad told me two year ago that the Aztec warrior would drink cactus juice before going into battle.
This one Cactus produces a drug like juice and you will not feel pain.
So when the braves were high, they then would go into battle and unless you kill one, he would keep fighting with little or no pain. That in it self made them very tough to defeat.
As this young man told us, each cactus produce a difference type of liquid. His Father had taught him about each and every cactus.
You can only eat some, not all.
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Phutnote
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they dumped the MiG? I thought it was in for sure. 
Seemed a little odd first time I heard it, considering the yanks have the F-15, but as others pointed out, it does make sense, especially if the MiG is a cheaper (and slightly less effective) version of the F-15.
Not to mention that post WWII USSR was a Golden Age of sorts for the Soviets (Russians), with their huge empire and global influence.
The cossack is very cool as well, and quite famous.
But it's a bummer to see something that was completed, had a lot of work put into it, get dumped from the game. I imagine we'll see it pop up in an expansion sometime down the road tho.
As for the Aztec unit, I prefered the earlier Eagle Warrior they had in the screenshots over the spirit priest guy who just stepped out of a Rio parade.
The French special unit is the musketeer, which has been in several screenshots, one with the unit selected and the attributes readable: 3.4.1
Which seems a little weak considering the Chinese special unit (lower tech) is 4.4.3.
The average pikeman is gonna be what, 1.3.1 at least? So the normal arquebus/musket dude default unit has to be . . . 3.3.1? or 2.4.1? Hard to figure how it is going to be less than the musketeer strength wise compared to the other units.
Perhaps the musketeer will be really cheap. If firepower is still in it makes more sense but I haven't heard anything about it still being in . . .
There is a archer soldier in what I believe is Persian attire in an early screenshot, but that doesn't mean much. They've changed their minds before. Indians will probably get the elephants.
And as for the Japanese, I agree the Zero might be a more appropriate choice (matches with the German panzer, too), but the Samurai is just so famous I think that tipped the scales. Ditto with the Cossack and MiG, perhaps?
Maybe the game will even ship with some Scenarios with different units in them. That'd be cool. They could use the biplane that doesnt seem to have made it in.
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Internationalist
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Thessaloniki,Hellas
Oct 2000
time: 05:15
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I sure would like to see a Grenadier style special French unit which, if I'm not mistaken(and I could be, since French mil. history is not my "forte") it was quite important in Napoleonic wars.Eventually when defeated in Waterloo British troops took over their hat style(that tall fury thing).
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02-09-2001 00:58
, but I guess if they say that the French unique unit is the Musketeer, that must be true.
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