02-09-2001 06:26									#1
	FACES Of APOLYTON #4: YIN26 Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

<B><I>This is the fourth edition of Faces of Apolyton interview series. This time our victim is Yin 26, a poster contributing a lot to Civilization III section, who is well known for his work on the suggestions lists, and lately for his pessimism regarding civ3..<br>

If you have suggestions on whom to interview next, or want to contribute questions yourself, feel free to email me at solver@apolyton.net.</i></b>


http://apolyton.net/misc/interviews/foa_4yin.shtml

	02-09-2001 10:12									#2
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This is by far my favorite of the interviews so far. I feel like I'm seeing the real Yin!

It is actually hard to reconcile this yin with the fellow that posted that he wouldn't get civ3 unless somebody bought it for him.

Now I know he's going to get civ3. After all that hard work on THE LIST, he couldn't help himself

	02-09-2001 10:20									#3
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Just started reading the FOA. They are actually pretty interesting. I like them. I would have looked at them sooner if their had been a famous guy like Ming being interviewed. (I'm not whining....just saying that they would have gotten more notice...)

	02-09-2001 16:06									#4
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Yin is quite a guy. To have organized the lists, and done such a tremendous job. Enjoyed the interview very much Yin. Hang in there, Civ 3 might be great, it might not, but at least it will be better, right? Also, it'll sell like hotcakes and then other game companies will try turn based civ related stuff. Let's hope...

	02-09-2001 16:44									#5
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GP,
I don't want to continue our previous conversation, but Ming is #6 on the list.

	02-09-2001 19:13									#6
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I know that Solver. And I said "SOONER". comprende? Ever do any marketing?

And you ARE continuing it.

	02-09-2001 19:20									#7
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quote: Yin 26: Wow. It's all a bit blurry now. But as I recall, I was off somewhere causing a stir about SMAC. Perhaps it was on the old OWO boards or perhaps even ACOL. I had had some dealings with Markos even back then, if I recall, and I got the sense he was a bit worried I'd come over and trash the site or something, since we all know he likes to run a tight ship.

Heh. It was OWO. I remember because I followed him......

	03-09-2001 04:58									#8
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Amazing!! The geek o'meter seems to be going off the scale! I wonder what phenomenon is causing this?

	03-09-2001 09:39									#9
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Nice article, Yin. I was surprised by the personal info. I always figured that *you* were Korean-American. Going from wanting to fly fighter planes to becoming an English major is surprising, too. How did that happen?

	03-09-2001 10:06									#10
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Father Beast and Lancer: Thanks for the kind words! I refuse to say if I'll buy Civ 3. Markos looks awwwwfully close to buying it for me, you know.

Wes:

Apologies again about missing your mod. From what I hear, some people are calling your mod "better than Civ2"! Wow.

No, not Korean-American...but I did marry a Korean-American, as I wrote. I like to refer to myself as an "Honorary Korean," though, since I've spent my entire post-graudate life here. (...that sounded dramatic...but 5 years is a bit of time).

After I heard the news about being rejected for a previous sinus surgery, I was pretty devesated, especially since my friend who got in probably only got in because my space was made available (I had higher marks than he, etc.). It was really tough to see him go to that amazing campus in Colorado Springs, etc.

So when I got to UCLA, I floated around the first year and realized: "Hey, they have a major where all you do is read novels and write your take on them." So lacking any other backup plan for my life, I became an English major and momentum took me all the way to a Masters before I put the brakes on it and said:

"Wait...is this really what I want to do? I still want to see the world."

So while I might not be dropping bombs on people in far off lands, at least I'm here causing them mild irritations of all sorts! You know...I've adapted.

Last edited by yin26 on 03-09-2001 at 10:58

	04-09-2001 06:01									#11
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A very good interview. A young man who played on my Basketball and Baseball team is now the PR Officer for the Blue Angles. Not bad for a kid from Napa.

	08-09-2001 05:13									#12
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Well it was great to read yin. As always impressive work.

However...

FoA are much more interesting to read when you haven't been reading things from that person for the last 2 years. I enjoyed the WesW and Velocryx interviews a whole lot more. Yin knows that is isn't personal, it is just after reading him for some many years it was great to hear about a few other people around this site.

	08-09-2001 05:25									#13
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I enjoyed the interview.
I remember the whole "list" thing... and I remember all the abuse Yin took at the time. I also can only guess at all the hard work he did to put the list together. It still stands as one of the greatest achievements of the Apolyton Community, and I truely hope that it had a major impact of the CivIII's development.
It was great reading about Yin's feelings on the upcoming game, and I hope that Apolyton does indeed sic it's bug testers on the game the day it is released (and I hope to be a part of that process)

Thanks for sharing your thoughts Yin.

HOWEVER... I'm left very unsatisified with the interview. It seemed like "interview lite" to me. While there were many words, there were very few questions. I would loved to have learned a lot more about Yin from the piece... I wanted to learn just what drives Yin to do what he does... I assume it's for the passion of games, but I don't really know. I would have liked a longer list of questions... and a longer list of answers...

	08-09-2001 12:16									#14
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I was going to be quiet - since have been following yin's work closely for several years now. But let's stab him in the back after all ...

quote: Originally posted by Ming HOWEVER... I'm left very unsatisified with the interview. It seemed like "interview lite" to me. While there were many words, there were very few questions. I would loved to have learned a lot more about Yin from the piece... I wanted to learn just what drives Yin to do what he does... I assume it's for the passion of games, but I don't really know. I would have liked a longer list of questions... and a longer list of answers...

The answer is the <b>Yin roller coaster</b>
What do I mean with this?
Well let's take a look at Yin's past, present and near future

1. Yin began by attacking SMAC quite hard
   
2. He decided to make the bug list (You know 5 most critical bugs & fixes), continued with The List.
   
3. Started to yell at Civ3 for not being good enough
   
4. Organices the bug list for Civ3
   
5. Dislikes Sid Golf, even though was his own idea
   
6. Collects fixies for …

	08-09-2001 14:20									#15
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Ming,
I can't say much except for one thing - everyobdy knows what the next FOAs will be, and everyone is free to contribute questions.

Tniem,
That's some different thought, nice to hear it, too!

	08-09-2001 14:54									#16
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Solver, you mention above that Ming is to be interview # 6. In your schedule thread and our emails you have me in the #6 spot. What's up?

	08-09-2001 17:35									#17
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"Yin Roller Coaster"! LOL! Is so true that I embarrass myself. But I have asked Jeje to burn down my computer if the pattern continues...of course, I haven't told him where my house is, either...

Ming: I know what you mean. I think the interview questions and answers will evolve. But it might be nice to have some more standard questions:

"What drives you to play computer games?"

etc. What do you think, Solver? For the benefit of future interviews, maybe you could ask the community for about 5 standard questions that will reveal the "what makes you tick" angle?

	08-09-2001 18:08									#18
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I've seen his posts maybe twice... hmm.... maybe its worth reading.....

	08-09-2001 19:07									#19
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Excellent interview, Kelly.

And you deserve a lot of credit for the work you have done and for how you have done alot of ... how should I say it... kind of growing up in how you relate your thoughts on the net.

It was at OWO where many of us first learned of Apolyton, and I believe it was there , that you had your first "encounters" with Mark.

Your style has changed immensely and has become more professional and courteous as opposed to confrontational. I have a great deal of respect for that.

And besides, I enjoyed your posts several years ago and still do. We need to get together again for some AoK games. Perhaps a rematch of You and I against Roger and Ned... ala the first time we teamed together and botched things up.

Good to "read ya" anyway.

	08-09-2001 19:41									#20
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Tom: Coming from you, that means a lot to me. I used to be kind of a *****...now, depending on who you talk to, I'm just annoying!

I miss our AoK games very much. In fact, I have a lot more time on my weekends now, so I could actually play! How about we wait for Age of Mythology? Have you seen the new vid footage at Gamespot? WOW!

BTW, how is the foot?

	08-09-2001 22:39									#21
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I'm listening to all the suggestions from FoA threads.
Lancer, you are #6, and Ming remains #7. If I said Ming is #6 ever, it was a mistake.

	08-09-2001 22:43									#22
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Yin, you play AoK? Are you hanging on Zone, AoKCC, or where? I'm currently working hard on my return to AoK. Gotta mail you on this, wait for that. Or mail me... Oh, no, mail doesn't work, so better pm.

	09-09-2001 05:09									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Solver Tniem, That's some different thought, nice to hear it, too!

Yeah, I can understand why some of they folks on the site were disappointed when 'their man' wasn't first, but I found it interesting. I had no idea the depth of this site. I mean I knew it was great but I mainly post in Civ3 and Apolyton. So I see those posters from Civ3 and OT the most. I had no idea about the contributions of the SMAC and CtP boards. Can't wait to hear more.

	09-09-2001 14:42									#24
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Tniem,
If you haven't already done that, dig up the FoA schedule in this forum.

	09-09-2001 17:25									#25
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Kelly, you aren't annoying. You are just you.

The foot is not so good. It is pretty much screwed I guess for who knows how long. Still have to take pain meds pretty regularly. Sucks bigtime... but oh well.

I haven't seen much of the vid. on AoM but i still keep up with the talk at the AoKH site. The game sounds interesting. But I don't know if it will replace my passion for the AoE/AoK series. That is my favorite along with the Diablo series.

But we shall see. And maybe the next weekend I have off, we might work in a game if either of us is free. I'll email you if I get the time. Been busy with work .

Talk to you around here or there.

	10-09-2001 08:49									#26
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quote: I'm an enemy of ignoring beta-testers, rushing to market, and leaving the paying customer to sit patiently for the fixes that might never come

That statement is the core of Yin. If you don't understand that then you might think he is just a trouble maker, or that he wants to be the center of attention, or he is annoying. However, once you realize that then your whole perception of him changes. Long ago at the owo forums was when I first met Yin, and I thought he was grandstanding for no reason, but once I saw that he had a legitimate point to make and that he was being serious I have always considered him as a trusted peer.

Yin, I just wanted to say that i appreciate your efforts at making both SMAC and civ3 better games. You have been somebody that I could always look up to. The only other SMAC player that I held as much respect for was anaylist over at the old owo forums. He influenced my strategy more than any other player, and you influenced me to always demand a quality product.

Yin, out of all of the people here I consider you a very good friend. Hopefully Civ3 will have multiplayer and we can play an ip game sometime.

	10-09-2001 13:43									#27
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Korn: First of all, I very much look forward to playing some games against each other. I have a feeling I will get my butt thoroughly kicked, but I promise to study the beatings I take. If that doesn't work, I'll call Analyst.

Second: I VERY much appreciate having a trusted peer and friend here on this site who not only thoroughly understands the in-game issues (that's hard enough, since I'll admit I tend to not always focus on the details) BUT also takes the concept of a quality release seriously without sounding like a whining punk (another fine and delicate balancing act).

I can only further thank you for stepping up to explain some tricky concepts involved with ICS and so forth when I couldn't make it clear enough: I felt like I was calling in a carpet bombing! LOL! Pretty good feeling, actually, having quality support like that.

If you ever come out to Korea, I promise to get you sloshed on so-ju. At least that could kill enough of your brain cells to give me a better chance at the next round of Civ, eh?

Last edited by yin26 on 10-09-2001 at 13:51

	10-09-2001 17:35									#28
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Excellent insight on a fellow poster, Korn. I agree wholeheartedly.

Yin, what is this so-ju... and will it help my foot.

	10-09-2001 18:31									#29
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Tom:

I just looked up 'soju' on the Net to see if I could post a good image for you, but then this Top 15 Uses for So-ju list popped up. I think it will answer your question:

1. A cheap buzz
   
2. Cooking ingredient
   
3. Mosquito bite sterilizer
   
4. CD cleaner
   
5. Colonge
   
6. Pain killer
   
7. Substitute for Spanish Fly
   
8. Substitute for Muell
   
9. Liver stimulant
   
10. Substitute for a social life
    
11. Digestive aid
    
12. Dinner table centre piece
    
13. Mouth wash
    
14. Tape machine cleaner
    
15. Confidence booster

So, when do I pick you up at the airport.

	10-09-2001 20:12									#30
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Sounds like something that might work.

I have exactly 15 years to go until I can retire with my 401k plan.

Hope to see you then.