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Father Beast
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My head stuck permanently in my civ
Feb 2000
time: 22:15
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for Civilization, they said it was possible to beat the computer on emperor, but not consistently. This was proven to be absurd as lots of civ players started doing absurd things with the game.
for Civ2, They said they had Doug Kaufman plugging away at the game making sure it was possible to beat the computer on Deity. That seems absurd to me, as they had the example of ICS already, and the minor block they had on that did almost nothing to keep it from being used as a sure road to victory again.
so now (almost) we come to Civ3. It has yet to be seen if the current block on ICS will be effective in keeping people from taking that route. It does seem that the OCC will be even easier with the cultural victory scenario, although the use of resources will hamper that somewhat. Particularly since we won't know what resources are available where in ancient times.
The AI will initially be good, but will turn out to suck later on. I predict this with confidence. It is a fact. I believe that Team Firaxis is working hard on a good AI, but the nature of games of this depth makes it impossible to come up with counters to everything. we, the civ players, WILL come up with ways to play the designers never considered. Sooner or later, and most likely both sooner and later.
Especially with the new features. The AI will be particularly clueless about those.
The only answer is to have some way for the AI to be adjusted. To have some way for us vets to teach the AI new tricks. The Civ2 AI is pretty good, but can't compare to our experience. and especially our learning at the feet of such Civ giants as post on this site. Now, if the AI could learn at their feet.....
as for the AI not cheating, I'll believe that if it has been documented in a few years. I can't believe they won't know where I am at all times, like always.
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jsw363
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So I am wondering about the ethnic cleansing thing with the settlers. If I can choose who becomes a settler, then (if I am Russian) choose two pesky French unhappy people to become settlers? Then when they found a city do they become loyal Russians? Do they remain French?
And as for workers does the nationality of the workers matter? Can I use only French workers to build my mighty Russian Emipre? Will the colonies behave differently because they were founded by the French? Are they less efficient than my Russian workers? How does this all play out?
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dennis580
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It simply means Fireaxis doesn't consider Mulitplayer to be very important. Something I think the majoirty of the Civ fans would agree with.
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Jarouik
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Helsinki, Finland, EU
Dec 2000
time: 07:15
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quote:
Originally posted by jsw363
So I am wondering about the ethnic cleansing thing with the settlers. If I can choose who becomes a settler, then (if I am Russian) choose two pesky French unhappy people to become settlers? Then when they found a city do they become loyal Russians? Do they remain French?
And as for workers does the nationality of the workers matter? Can I use only French workers to build my mighty Russian Emipre? Will the colonies behave differently because they were founded by the French? Are they less efficient than my Russian workers? How does this all play out? |
I doubt that nationality would be modelled all that thoroughly in Civ3... I would say that the Pelit magazine only meant that if you build settlers or workers in a city with foreign nationals, the cost is automatically taken from the foreigner total. Directly translated, the only sentence in the article concerning this subject is as follows: "A player can, however, literally practice ethnic cleansing by transferring his own citizens to a conquered city and extraditing the original citizens into minorities in other cities as settlers." This does imply, however, that settlers built by conquered cities would somehow differ from other settlers once they are founding or joining a city, while I think they mentioned somewhere previously that citizens in any new cities you found are always your own, not foreign.
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jsw363
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quote:
Originally posted by Jarouik
"A player can, however, literally practice ethnic cleansing by transferring his own citizens to a conquered city and extraditing the original citizens into minorities in other cities as settlers." This does imply, however, that settlers built by conquered cities would somehow differ from other settlers once they are founding or joining a city, while I think they mentioned somewhere previously that citizens in any new cities you found are always your own, not foreign. |
So does this mean that forced resettlement of minorities converts them into loyal citizens? Interesting....
Also, I agree that republics and democracies ARE less tolerant of slave labor than other governments. If you look at the outrage surrounding Nike and that Kathy Lee clothing in the US, you can see that people aren't so thrilled imagining ten year olds stitching their clothes in 16 hour work days for pennies.
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07-09-2001 01:35
The most irritating thing I've come across in all civ games up to now , but probably allso the hardest to improve is the AI.
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