06-09-2001 21:44									#1
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I have added one screenshot of my new scenario about Spanish Armada. "London has fallen to Spanish tercios"

I have mostly worked in graphics, units and cities are almost finished, I am working in people, and soon I will start the events.

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	06-09-2001 22:12									#2
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Did the Big Ben really exist back then???

	06-09-2001 22:36									#3
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It looks very good! Do you have an anticipated completion date?

	06-09-2001 22:49									#4
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Hi KINDAL!

This is a topic I'd always wanted to see a scenario about! I read a lot about the Armada and elizabeth/philip II years ago, and it is really a great story, with many interesting possibilities. I'll probably have many suggestions, so if you want some more, just let me know.

What kind of map are you using? -I hope one with lots of sea, with a really big english channel for all the naval maneuvres. It depends, however, on your approach of course. From your screenshot I can see, that the spanish will actually face the landing of the fleet on english territory...

Humble list of suggestions, so far (I'll list them anyway) :

-Duke of Parma and spanish troops in the netherlands a tribe for themselves (allied to the spanish), which will make the rendezvous with parmas troops very difficult. Once they meet, an event could create parmas reinforcements as spanish troops, to be ferried over.

-very weak english land forces, which will make a land campaign very easy on part of the spanish, if they manage to land their troops. and a small, but strong and maneuverable english navy, to simulate the advantage in knowing the channel much better than the spanish.

-both english, spanish as well as parma playable!!

OK, that's it for now! Looking forward to seeing/hearing more about this!

See ya around...
Morten

	06-09-2001 23:17									#5
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Henrik, well there is a lo of theories about the building of Big Ben one is that it is celt monument...ok, ok I only put it because look very English when I think another important building of London I wil change it (ideas welcomed!!).

Marquis , no I have no idea. Still, I haven´t made the hardest work events and a playtesting by myself. I have all the ideas but when you start to play, you starting to see errors, and a naval scenario will give me a lot of problems...

	06-09-2001 23:26									#6
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Hi Morten!!!! I am happy to see you in the Spanish forum, I hope you became a usual of it, we open a lot of threads about civ2 and history, your favourites

quote: Duke of Parma and spanish troops in the netherlands a tribe for themselves (allied to the spanish), which will make the rendezvous with parmas troops very difficult.

I have thought something like this, I will made two versions, the FW´s one will have two playable civilizations by the human player (as in Nemos second front), The Armada and Farnesios troops. In MGE I believe that only a Spanish one.

quote: -both english, spanish as well as parma playable!!

Well, English won´t be playable in the FW and MGE version, only Spanish, but could be that I made a future expasion of the scenario where English could play too.

	06-09-2001 23:37									#7
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This could be the combat of Gravelines, where English Fireships forced to the Armada to take away from Flemish coasts.

(don´t worry it is only a screenshot, in the scenario you would have more ships )

Thanks to BeBro who has made the ships specially for this scenario.

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	07-09-2001 00:51									#8
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Tiene una pinta cojonuda!!!

Las ciudades y casitas cada vez se te dan mejor, a lo mejor tenías que haberte dedicado a arquitecto, tío...

	07-09-2001 01:35									#9
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No uses el Big Ben, usa las Houses of Parliament.

	07-09-2001 01:44									#10
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Muy buena pinta, kIndal... ¿Piensas incluir los fenómenos atmosféricos (que realmente estropearon mucho la armada) de alguna manera? Supongo que es muy difícil...

	07-09-2001 11:41									#12
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Fiera, arquitecto no, mejor constructor que ganan mas

El, esa es la idea pero como todavia no la he hecho (estas son las de Blitz de Nemo) pues he puesta esta misma para dar un poco de color al asunto, ya pondre un event que diga algo asi copmo: "Las señorias inglesas salieron huyendo como señoritas cuando un egregio alferez español abrio las puertas del parlamento de un arcabuzazo" jejejeje....

Lo de los fenomenos atmosfericos la verdad es que no lo veo nada claro, ademas el escenario empieza en el canal de la Mancha y acaba huyendo de Gravelinas o en la conquista de Londres asi que realmente en el canal no hbo asi ninguna tormenta que nos jodiera realmente.

Te ha gustao er smilie en Güaku

	07-09-2001 12:48									#13
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Yo tambien, yo tambien!




Yo creo que los fenomenos atmosfericos deberian aparecer de algun modo. Cierto o no, es lo que mas se recuerda de todo ese asunto.

Has empezado ya con el asunto de la 'jugabilidad'?

	07-09-2001 13:09									#14
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Yo la unica incidencia sobre los fenomenos atmosfericos que queria plasmar es que al empezar el escenario en Cabo Lagarto (Cape Lizard) hubiera un event que hiciera un resumen de los problemas del viaje, y luego que algunos barcos no estuvieran al tope de energia por culpa de la tormenta, es que creo que es una tonteria poner unidades de tormenta porque realmente en la travesia del canal no influyeron para nada, bueno siempre las podria incluir pero solo por cuestions esteticas, y que no hicieran nada, una unidad paseandose vamos...

No todavia no he empezao, todavia estoy con los graficos.De hecho, en la jugabilidad van a estar los principales problemas pero bueno nada que un poco de imaginacion no pueda remediar Lo bueno es que digamos que lo tengo casi todo terminao sobre le papel, ahora me toca terminarlo sobre el ordenador.

	07-09-2001 16:49									#15
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Vaya, tiene una pinta muy buena los barcos.
Los brulotes(?) ingleses esos están magníficamente diseñados, supongo que como los kamikazes cuando peleen mueren tras la lucha ganen o pierdan...

	07-09-2001 17:19									#16
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three thumbs up!!! Daglie all'Armada!!!

Ps Any news about your Spanish succession war scen? My friends on Italian Net are waiting to see it completed...

PPS Maybe Beppo is going to help me with my Austrian succession war scen... mind if i use & modify your artillery icon?

Only a negative note... get rid of that fox resource!!! Too much cartoon-like style...

	07-09-2001 17:40									#17
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alf, no te preocupes ya hare yo pa que los ingleses mueran de todas formas
Los barcos la verdad es que son una delicia,sigo pensando que Bernd es el mejor diseñador de graficos que hay (con perdon de todos los demas)

quote: Ps Any news about your Spanish succession war scen? My friends on Italian Net are waiting to see it completed...

Ooohhh....the work is making bigger, I believe that you don´t hear about it in a long time but as I see a lot of people interested, I think that it could be my next one but first, finish the Armadas one.

quote: Only a negative note... get rid of that fox resource!!! Too much cartoon-like style...

I love this resource, it is very nice, people is it really bad???

	07-09-2001 19:32									#18
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una pregunta para el admirable "diseñador invecible":
-Qué eslo primero que hiciste tras documentarte?
Voy a acosarte apreguntas para ir confeccionando mi primer escenario....je,je,je

	07-09-2001 23:24									#19
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Tu pregunta todo lo que quieras y mas, que otra cosa es que yo te responda

Pues despues de documentarme (auqnue todavia lo estoy haciendo) la cosa es pensar el escenario sobre el papel, pensar cuals son las unidades que necesitare, los improvements, los cities, als civilizaciones, algunos detalles del juego...y mas o menos hacer una idea general de como quiero que sea el escenario.

	08-09-2001 00:46									#20
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quote: Originally posted by kIndal Los barcos la verdad es que son una delicia,sigo pensando que Bernd es el mejor diseñador de graficos que hay (con perdon de todos los demas)

Absolutely true. Al César lo que es del César

quote: I love this resource, it is very nice, people is it really bad???

It isn't bad, it's worse I agree with Prom, it's too cartoonish and rests feel. Try to find something more... uhm.. appropriate, or ask Bernd for help

	08-09-2001 13:26									#21
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Sorry, no way i wanted to hurt you... Try this one...

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	09-09-2001 11:14									#22
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Vale, segunda pregunta:
El mapa.. como lo diseñas?

	09-09-2001 13:27									#23
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I will change it but I have discovered some very good resources in the new Alex scenario, and could be that I take something "borrowed"


Hombre suelo usar alguno que ya este hecho, como por ejemplo el de Europa que aparece en casi todos mis escenarios.

Pero por ejemplo pa este he creado uno especial.la verdad es que lo hice a mano alzada (pa decirlo de alguna manera) elijo mas o menos la forma del mapa y empiezo a dibujar. Pero creo que hay programillas que te cogen un bmp y te lo transforman en mapa,no?

	09-09-2001 15:41									#24
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Didn´t notice this preview (Henrik told me about it). I love the gfx for London! When do you release it?

	09-09-2001 18:09									#25
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I amnot sure. I am still working in graphics and today I have started in rules.txt, but I haven´t started events and game play, where usually are most problems so.... but I expect that in 1 or 2 months (I have to count to the platesting)

	09-09-2001 19:33									#26
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quote: Originally posted by kIndal (I have to count to the platesting)

Would this be a good place to sign up for the playtesting?

	09-09-2001 19:50									#27
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Well, still is soon to ask for playtesters but...well, as in fact I have two yet, I believe you can
For this one I only want 3 or 4 playtester (it is easier to control) and if I have 3, well one more could be good, so if somebody wants...

	09-09-2001 20:18									#28
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Forgot to post this before; I really like Prom's fox

	11-09-2001 19:00									#29
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dices "lo hice a mano alzada ... elijo mas o menos la forma del mapa y empiezo
a dibujar. Pero creo que hay programillas que te cogen un bmp y te lo transforman"

Si lo dibujas a mano... cómo haces luego el paso a mapa del civ?
Qué programas transforman el *.bmp en mapa del civ?

	11-09-2001 20:06									#30
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quote: dices "lo hice a mano alzada ... elijo mas o menos la forma del mapa y empiezo a dibujar.

pero no sobre papel sino con el editor de mapas del civilization

quote: Qué programas transforman el *.bmp en mapa del civ?

Se llama MapEdit de Jorrit Vemerit o algo asi te lo puedes bajar en el database de Apolyton