07-09-2001 17:03									#1
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http://www.nexgenmedia.net/civ3-1.jpg - Shows the indians in the modern era. Not sure if this was posted before.

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Better version (300k!) at http://www.nexgenmedia.net/civ3-2.jpg

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I apologise for the somewhat bad image quality, my scanner needs to be calibrated (and I lost the calibration sheet).

As you can see, the roads are pretty much what they look like in say LA, with underpasses and such. The top, left city has to its left a normal road (pretty hard to see on the image)

Also, and hill/mountain with such a road gets a tunnel entrance graphic.

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	07-09-2001 17:14									#2
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COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!

The city looks like before though... It must be the quality that is fooling me...!!!

But what are those white marks in south-east of the cities??? Looks like some kind of small "squares"?

	07-09-2001 17:27									#3
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http://www.nexgenmedia.net/civ3-2.jpg

Better version. The cities are high rises, with a tank graphic on them (hiding most of the city image too)

	07-09-2001 17:43									#4
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OK!
1.) I can see the small "squares" better, but I can't understand what they are for?
2.) On this map, the largest civ has 24-25 cities, as far as I can see(the blue one), the smallest two has 10 cities(the green and the orange). I can't remember what number that was most "usual" in Civ2, but I think you had to be bigger!
3.) It seems like the worker are with us still in the modern times, no engineers!

	07-09-2001 17:48									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Nikolai 1.) I can see the small "squares" better, but I can't understand what they are for?

They look like airports to me (or maybe airbases).

	07-09-2001 17:51									#6
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Ummm... The one with the anchor on it indicates the presence of a harbour, the one with the airplane indicates the presence of an airport.

	07-09-2001 18:07									#8
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i should note that i've passed the image through the "auto-levels" fuction in photoshop, that's why it looks more blue-ish....

firaxis or photoshop? whose colors are best?

	07-09-2001 18:07									#9
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Anybody else really intrigued about the roads now. Near the top there is a square that has two roads that aren't connected. What's that all about?

	07-09-2001 18:13									#10
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Hey Doron, from where are you?

	07-09-2001 18:14									#11
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I hope they clean up thoose roads a little, looks like a complete mess to me.

	07-09-2001 18:17									#12
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In the screenshot, there are still the basic workers from the ancient age. Are engineers no longer in Civ? Do workers no longer get upgraded? I really hope something upgrades worker speed in the mid-late game.

	07-09-2001 18:17									#13
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Isn't that a bit off-topic, Eli?

BTW, Mark, when I have answered an off-topic post like now, without writing anything about the off-topic; is that legal? (it is fine to know for the future! )

	07-09-2001 18:20									#14
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Is there no longer farmland? The irrigation is also the same as the ancient irrigation, yet one of the cities is building mech. infantry which at least in Civ2 was a late game unit, well after farmland.

	07-09-2001 18:29									#15
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these are probably test pictures guys, most probably with lots of help from cheats/editor. it's not something taken from an actual game....

	07-09-2001 18:39									#16
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not modern roads but railroads.

	07-09-2001 18:46									#17
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quote: Originally posted by FXS Zach Wilson not modern roads but railroads.

see? posting guesses all the time eventually causes the Firaxian-posts bot to wake up


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	07-09-2001 19:06									#18
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG these are probably test pictures guys, most probably with lots of help from cheats/editor. it's not something taken from an actual game....

Well, I don´t see a single evidence that this picture is not taken from an actual game.

An hour ago I browsed the magazine that contains this picture. Some pieces of info that may be new:

- There are six ways to win (I guess no. 6 is the 'histograph' victory, i.e. a refined highscore).

- On another screenshot, a city is producing a 'modern armor'.

- The AI has been 'improved conspicuously in comparison with SMAC'.

	07-09-2001 19:13									#19
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I really wish Firaxis would ridge some of those individual mountains together and replace the flooding irrigation look with farmland.

	07-09-2001 19:37									#20
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The Pimple Mountains are still there (I hope some of my modpack friends would make replacing the mountain terrain a high priority).

You say that this is from a Modern Age. Apart from the battleship in the bottom and the production, I don't see any units on the map. Am I not looking at it close enough? I mean, when a game gets to the modern age, there would numerous modern units scattered over the map, esp. taking up defensive or fortified positions.

	07-09-2001 19:39									#21
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There are modern units (APCs, I think) stationed in the cities.

	07-09-2001 19:45									#22
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Why must irrigated tiles look like watersick mosquito-infested quagmires? Why so few forest-tiles? At least 20% should be forrest - if not available naturally, so at least planted. Variation = good looks.

Also, look at the 19-point city named Ginger. How is it possible to grow to 19 points without cultivate the surrounding grasslands? Why isnt the hills mined? It seems to me that the cities grows very large anyway, regardless lack of terrain-cultivation, wich is bad. They should add upper growth limits, if not enough indevidual tiles are food-produktive enough. Please, change this.

As for the "dense spiderweb roads/RR" phenomenon: well, thats to be expected as long as roads/RR:s are ONLY beneficial, instead of a mixed blessing, like it should be. Road/RR:s through irrigated tiles (where is the farmland-upgrades?) should always boost trade, but it should also halve the irrigation-bonus. Or something similar - just make roads/RR:s more of a mixed blessing, one way or the other.

No desolate non-populated chunks of landareas in the mini-map, like it often was in Civ-2. Good.

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	07-09-2001 19:47									#23
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Now I vaguely see the APCs. They do blend in nicely with the buildings.

	07-09-2001 19:52									#24
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Ralf: Could it be that this was not a game screenshot but a customized one, as alluded to earlier? If you would want to test a modern age feature, they would probably set up a bunch of cities at a set population (and production level) and then start the game from there. That way you can control the testing without having to take the time to play up to that point and perhaps have it adversely affect conditions once you get into the modern age.

	07-09-2001 20:00									#25
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What I am curious about, is the upside down pentagon attached to the description of the city in the middle.

Nothing to do with devil worshipping, I hope

	07-09-2001 20:03									#26
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG i should note that i've passed the image through the "auto-levels" fuction in photoshop, that's why it looks more blue-ish.... firaxis or photoshop? whose colors are best?

PHOTOSHOP PHOTOSHOP PHOTOSHOP!!!

I was amazed that they changed the color pof the sea sooo much... I wish they had...

But we will surely not be disturbewd by the green oceans, since it seem this will be a great game.

	07-09-2001 20:07									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Steve Clark Ralf: Could it be that this was not a game screenshot but a customized one, as alluded to earlier? If you would want to test a modern age feature, they would probably set up a bunch of cities at a set population (and production level) and then start the game from there. That way you can control the testing without having to take the time to play up to that point and perhaps have it adversely affect conditions once you get into the modern age.

Sounds reasonable. They have probably a bunch of pre-setup playtest-scenarios available in order to test -> adjust -> retest this or that feature, or AI-behaviour. Lets hope that above is a playtesting "work-sketch" only. If it isnt, then Im worried. An official comment here would be nice.

	07-09-2001 22:38									#28
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Is anyone else bothered by teh fact that the roads still seem to just plow through the mountains. No contours, curves, nothing. I personally think that having all these roads spread across the map looks horrible. Can't they make roads less essential to gameplay?

I don't mean to complain, but the ocean still bothers me. If you look on the map there are only two true oceans in the game (dark blue) and it's easy to navigate around them. So it doesn't seem to me like there's any advantage to progress beyond caravels early in the game. If I have access to the enitre planet, but by a more roundabout route it seems too easy. I was expecting the different levels of ocean (shoreline, sea and ocean) to have a greater impact on the game. Now it seems like this feature won't mean very much.

	07-09-2001 22:46									#29
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I like the Photoshop colors a lot more than the colors from the original shot.

	07-09-2001 22:47									#30
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The thing I have noticed in all the screens is that in the cities you see the units that are defending. Is everyone going to get to see the defending units. If so that seems like a good idea or is it just that tanks were built in every city in that image?