09-09-2001 03:20									#1
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Let's be honest, I just don't believe civ3 won't have MP out of the box.
I have a few reasons for this:

- They have officialy stated many times that civ3 would have MP out of the box. (literary)
- If they will have to break their promise, would they do that by emailing just one person, rather than making it a public announcement
- Games like this that will be shipped these days without MP support will for sure get very bad critics
- There isn't any official statement that backs up the idea that the game will be released without MP.

but what do you think..........
is this - no MP out of the box - rumor a hoax or reality ?

	09-09-2001 03:27									#2
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I hope that all this just is rumors, and that Civ 3 will ship with Multiplayer. Firaxis has said in there FAQ that the game will come with multiplayer all the time, and I don't believe they will change that. (Unless they had enough preorders already )

Still I'm not 100% sure to be realistic.

	09-09-2001 04:15									#3
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hope and belief are two entities.

i HOPE it ships, but it is QUITE FEASIBLE that it wont.

	09-09-2001 04:27									#4
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I like to think of myself as more of a glass-half-full guy, but the signs are definitely not good. I don't think we're going to get it out of the box, and when we do get it, yes, we will have to pay for it.

I don't even play MP very much, but I'm pretty disappointed if the rumours turn out to be true. To have good MP-ability a game needs to be built that way from scratch. Adding it later simply is not as good. And it is indeed a bad omen for other parts of the game.

I'm hoping we're worrying over nothing, but I fear that's not the case.

	09-09-2001 04:46									#5
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Also on Amazon.com they are advertising Civ3 and one of the features is a multiplayer mode. Why would they tell someone in an email and not someone trying to sell there product?

	09-09-2001 05:24									#6
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quote: Originally posted by manofthehour Also on Amazon.com they are advertising Civ3 and one of the features is a multiplayer mode. Why would they tell someone in an email and not someone trying to sell there product?

Oh, gee, I don't know, .............$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ?

	09-09-2001 05:50									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Slax Oh, gee, I don't know, .............$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ?

If Firaxis informed Amazon that there was MP in Civ 3, but then released Civ 3 without this feature, then Firaxis could be sued... costing mega$$$$$$$$...

	09-09-2001 10:00									#8
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Here's the good word from www.amazon.com

"Full set of integrated, multiplayer options "

Would they really advertise this if the multiplayer won't be available until spring?

Here's the link
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/s...6854269-1246205

	09-09-2001 10:43									#9
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But if MP was going to be included then why don't they just say so. It has been over two days. They have to have heard us by now and still no official word one way or the other. That makes me tend to believe the rumors are probably correct.

	09-09-2001 12:20									#10
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maybe they're sick of all those apolyton rumors
and they don't want to show up every time we're running in fear around. After all they're not our nanny.

And besides that, it's weekend and on friday Dan must have been working on the civ3.com update

	09-09-2001 13:41									#11
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quote: Originally posted by CyberShy maybe they're sick of all those apolyton rumors and they don't want to show up every time we're running in fear around. After all they're not our nanny.

Yes, it took them a while to stop the rumor about Nationalism being a government, why would them like to stop a rumor like this quick? It stops us from complaining on other things

	09-09-2001 14:06									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Gramphos Yes, it took them a while to stop the rumor about Nationalism being a government, why would them like to stop a rumor like this quick? It stops us from complaining on other things

LOL No, not *another* conspiracy theory regarding Firaxis

	09-09-2001 14:21									#13
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Take a good look at the pre-released game-setup screenshoot. Is ther a button somewhere leading to a secondary multiplayer-screen? Now, where would they put a link to this optional MP-screen, if not in a player setup-screen? Above isnt "proof" of course - but its beginning to look like MP is destined to be delayed, and instead added to the expected expansion-pack. And is that such a terrible thing? Im sure they put the delay into good use.

	09-09-2001 18:25									#14
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Interesting results. It seems to show that we have no clue.
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It follows the theoretic result of what this would be, and shows that we don't have a clue.

	09-09-2001 20:46									#15
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[quote]Ralf: Is ther a button somewhere leading to a secondary multiplayer-screen?[quote]

There has never been such a link, not even when they were still intended to include MP months ago.............
I assume MP can be behind "new game"

When you select "New game" the next options appear:
- random world
- earth game
- custom earth
- scenario
- multiplayer

or something.

	09-09-2001 20:47									#16
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quote: Originally posted by CyberShy maybe they're sick of all those apolyton rumors and they don't want to show up every time we're running in fear around. After all they're not our nanny.

Ahh but demo was right on the mark. So have others. It appears that this one is as well.

quote: And besides that, it's weekend and on friday Dan must have been working on the civ3.com update

I think he has it done before Friday. It should just be a quick upload.

	09-09-2001 21:29									#17
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quote: Originally posted by CyberShy I assume MP can be behind "new game" When you select "New game" the next options appear: - random world - earth game - custom earth - scenario - multiplayer or something.

Yes, that sounds right. You also get to choose difficulty level and some other options as well.

	09-09-2001 21:55									#18
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Maybe when they say multiplayer out of the box, they mean hot seat

	09-09-2001 21:55									#19
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If you consider the predeccesors of Civ3, neither civ1 nor civ 2 had mp. It was only in expansion packs that it was added.

And who is going to trust anything amazon.com says? They have trouble making a proffit! Let alone being a source of information.

Is it listed on the civ3.com feautres page? mmm. quite telling isn't it. developers always like to toot their own horn. its a matter of pride.

But as always, things can change. Perhaps it will, perhaps it won't. But it having or not having mp will certainly have no effect on my purchase.

	09-09-2001 23:32									#20
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I don't believe the information that teacher guy got from a PR person, teachers don't know anything which is why schools don't work. and PR people know even less

It will be nice trying civ3 out Multiplayer wise, I haven played a proper multiplayer game.

PJ

	10-09-2001 01:26									#21
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quote: Originally posted by tniem But if MP was going to be included then why don't they just say so. It has been over two days. They have to have heard us by now and still no official word one way or the other. That makes me tend to believe the rumors are probably correct.

Ahem, if I recall correctly, the rumor was first posted Friday evening. It is now Sunday.

Does anyone else see why the Firaxis website spokesperson might not have responded yet?

Anyone?



(It's the weekend. They might be home with their families.)

	10-09-2001 02:15									#22
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quote: kc7mxo: If you consider the predeccesors of Civ3, neither civ1 nor civ 2 had mp. It was only in expansion packs that it was added.

civ1 and civ2 were released in a period that multiplayer games weren't common.
Right now we're in the internet-era. Every game that can possibly be plaid with multiple players has mp support.

quote: Ahem, if I recall correctly, the rumor was first posted Friday evening. It is now Sunday. Does anyone else see why the Firaxis website spokesperson might not have responded yet?

Pherhaps because it's weekend ?

	10-09-2001 03:14									#23
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quote: Originally posted by ProfessorPhobos Ahem, if I recall correctly, the rumor was first posted Friday evening. It is now Sunday.

Friday morning at 11 am was when it was posted. Since then there have been emails written and time for Dan to have at least seen what was happening.

quote: (It's the weekend. They might be home with their families.)

We are a month and a half before release and that means they have less than a month to go gold. All they have is a month and they are going out with their families? That is unlike any gaming company I have heard about. At this point I would expect that with two games in developement that are both supposed to be out this fall that they are working all weekend. Now that could be a reason for not coming on and telling us something. But they are working and if not I am even more worried.

	10-09-2001 05:23									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Admiral PJ I don't believe the information that teacher guy got from a PR person, teachers don't know anything which is why schools don't work. and PR people know even less

LOL My thoughts exactly

	10-09-2001 07:50									#25
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Yeah, everybody likes working 56+ hour work weeks with no weekend or time for family. Especially since this is the first weekend for the NFL and basically the first week for College Football.

	10-09-2001 07:54									#26
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quote: Originally posted by MacTBone Yeah, everybody likes working 56+ hour work weeks with no weekend or time for family. Especially since this is the first weekend for the NFL and basically the first week for College Football.

I didn't say they like to do it but this is the end. They are pressed for time. They are working all weekend.

In the gaming industry I have heard that 70+ hours the final couple weeks are the norm. I think they were working over 80 hours at Lionhead before Black & White. This may lead to errors but if you have a deadline and you have to meet it, then what else are you going to do.

Blizzard tells the story when StarCraft was being designed one of their designers took his labtop to the hospital while his wife was giving birth. He worked on the game all through labor. I am not saying it is necessarily a good idea or that they like doing it - just that it is the norm. And that I would assume if they are pressed for time that they are doing this.

	10-09-2001 08:17									#27
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Why are they pressed for time? So what if they won't clear things up till a little later? Why are we taking an unconfirmed e-mail message as fact?