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lord of the mark
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FUKCOV - Former United Kingdom Colony of Virginia
Dec 2000
time: 00:12
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I first tried ICS "my own way" with a SSC capital, and with trade.
Didnt finish.
Ive read DaveVs guide and am trying a purist ICS approach
Tried as mongols on small real world map, the game started me alone on North America!!. Quickly dropped that.
Tried on a small random map. started alone
on small continent, what with triremes, and all, game got bogged down. Missed HG.
Tried as Indians on small real world map. Forgot to go for horseback riding tech right off, didnt pop enough huts, etc. Zulus destroyed everyone else, surrounded me. Fought my way out, but meanwhile, with no place to send settlers, and need for lots of archers, i let my cites grow, to point that i'm off ICS track.
Tried again, this time persians on small real world map. (deity, 7, RT,no restart) I seem to be getting the hang of it, expanding nicely, got HG, some good defensive wars. Hope to get Leos soon, and chivalry, and attack with knights before walls go up everywhere.
LOTM
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John-SJ
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Silicon Valley, USA
Aug 1999
time: 21:12
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Though I've been playing Civ since the original Civ days I'm also somewhat new to the ICS strategy.
I started a game recenly at deity and right from the start found myself in a dilemma. What should I do with the second settler? On the one hand it's a free unsupported unit that is a great advantage in the early game, but on the other hand if I establish a second city ASAP I accelerate the geometric expansion of the ICS strategy. Or, as a variation should I use the second settler to make the first road improvement for the first city and at the second city site before establishing the second city?
John-SJ
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Some time ago here was a debate whether to put down your 2. city ASAP or keep your NON-settler. IIRC the "two immediate cities" approach won at tests (though Ribannah might disagree  )
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DaveV
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USA - EDT (GMT-5)
Jan 1970
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quote:
Originally posted by Blaupanzer on 04-06-2001 01:06 PM
As to the second settler, if you start with roadable/irrigable specials (e.g., buffalo or wheat), then it may be worth hanging on to him as a NON resource. However, as I read DaveV's wisdom, the goal is more, sooner. So sink roots and go for it.
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Yes. Not building a city with the second settler halves the size of your potential empire. If I pick up a NON settler from a hut after I have half a dozen cities, I will probably keep him as for road construction. But early growth is the heart of ICS.
As far as "changing old habits", try to live without irrigation - that's the most common mistake of people trying ICS. If you build a city instead of irrigating a square, you can produce a unit and grow most of the way to size 2 in the time you would have spent irrigating. Irrigation also tends to make cities grow too fast, then you have to resort to the other ICS anathema, the temple  . I've played many games without ever irrigating a single square.
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lord of the mark
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FUKCOV - Former United Kingdom Colony of Virginia
Dec 2000
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quote:
Originally posted by DaveV on 04-06-2001 02:09 PM
Yes. Not building a city with the second settler halves the size of your potential empire. If I pick up a NON settler from a hut after I have half a dozen cities, I will probably keep him as for road construction. But early growth is the heart of ICS.
As far as "changing old habits", try to live without irrigation - that's the most common mistake of people trying ICS. If you build a city instead of irrigating a square, you can produce a unit and grow most of the way to size 2 in the time you would have spent irrigating. Irrigation also tends to make cities grow too fast, then you have to resort to the other ICS anathema, the temple . I've played many games without ever irrigating a single square.
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Yes current game is going well because i have steadfastly refused to irrigate, despite the temptation. (i have also refused to mine - am i taking things too far?) No temples - only improvements have been walls, and those sparingly. WOWS - HG, Leos, STWA. Hoping for SOL and Mikes soon.
Have elimiated the nasty Mongols with knights, both vet and green. Russians stole a tech, so i took Kiev, then ceasefire. Its now me, (with most of Asia) Russians (europe and africa and at least 2 cities left in trans ural) and aztecs (developing alone in North America). I intend to get at finish leadership (currently researching) before taking on Russians again. Meanhwile i still have land in NE asia, and Australia to settle.
LOTM
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