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Call to Power -- Play-by-Email Ratings and Rankings

Last Updated: 12-SEP-2001 (updated every other week)



CTP. . APOLYTON HANDLE........ CTP... P.G. P.G.
RANK P NAME................... RATING WIN. LOSS NAT.TR

0001 . KLAIR.................. 24.083 0047 0000 FRA...
0002 . SWISSY................. 23.687 0052 0003 USA.IL
0003 . FUZZBALL............... 22.316 0030 0012 AUS...
0004 . RICK_ELKINS............ 21.986 0040 0015 USA.NY
0005 . MOBIUS................. 21.873 0055 0010 GBR.EN
0006 . PN..................... 21.679 0041 0020 GBR.EN
0007 . RUBBDUCK............... 21.585 0032 0002 GER...
0008 . LUNG................... 21.496 0047 0023 AUS.SW
0009 . DEVIL.................. 21.448 0022 0008 LAT...
0010 P KAMBEI................. 21.000 0000 0000 FRA...
0011 P GAVRUSHKA.............. 20.950 0000 0000 GBR.EN
0012 . QUINNS................. 20.850 0099 0068 USA.CA
0013 . MAX_WEBSTER............ 20.741 0037 0022 CAN...
0014 . BILHQ.................. 20.638 0012 0004 INA...
0015 . FRAZE.................. 20.507 0048 0051 GBR...
0016 . SLAMP.................. 20.431 0037 0021 FRA...
0017 . NOTUNCOMMON............ 20.100 0024 0015 DEN...
0018 . 420.................... 20.053 0032 0023 USA.IL
0019 . THE_TRUE_DEMOSTHENES... 20.012 0013 0058 GBR.EN
0020 . HUNTER................. 19.961 0018 0010 NZL...
0021 . JPWW................... 19.922 0032 0026 USA.GA
0022 . BERXPERT............... 19.738 0090 0026 MEX...
0023 . KEYGEN................. 19.656 0039 0032 GRE...
0024 . KRALJ_MATJAZ........... 19.588 0067 0026 SLO...
0025 . STAVROS................ 19.459 0109 0079 GER...
0026 . VITOLG................. 19.393 0011 0019 ISR...
0027 . DUGRIK................. 19.388 0042 0041 USA.TX
0028 . FADED_GLORY............ 19.380 0036 0036 USA.WI
0029 . THEBIRDMAN............. 19.265 0143 0116 DEN...
0030 . MAESTRO................ 19.076 0010 0018 BEL...
0031 . ZOBOZEWARRIOR.......... 18.772 0038 0020 FRA...
0032 . FRANSES................ 18.659 0044 0040 NED...
0033 . PAUL................... 18.530 0046 0081 NED...
0034 . ARTHUR................. 18.466 0022 0054 USA.UT
0035 . DUCK_HUNTER............ 18.250 0007 0020 USA.FL
0036 . KRASH.................. 18.113 0023 0027 GBR.EN
0037 P PAT_RUSSELL............ 18.000 0000 0000 USA.OH
0038 . NUKE_BOY............... 17.989 0063 0064 USA.FL
0039 . ST_JON................. 17.822 0064 0099 GBR.EN
0040 . KING_THOR.............. 17.314 0063 0135 USA.FL
0041 P JESUMI................. 16.973 0000 0001 ESP...
0042 . SOLVER................. 16.858 0021 0070 LAT...
0043 . CUAICH................. 16.824 0007 0019 CAN.ON
0044 . EOHIAN................. 16.727 0003 0020 USA.CA
0045 . SYORIS................. 16.589 0009 0029 GBR.EN
0046 . DARTH_VIPER............ 16.382 0027 0085 NED...
0047 . PHOENIXCAGER........... 16.230 0014 0045 SGP...

P = Provisional. Player has had less than 10 power graph results.


Frequently Asked Questions

How do I become rated? Simply post, to this thread, the highest level of victory that you ever attained, (Chieftain, Warlord, Prince, King, Emperor, or Deity), in a "single player" game of Call to Power, along with the Nation and Territory that you presently reside. That's it! You'll see your name appear on the above list within a week.
How do the ratings change? See the below CTP Ratings Links section for an in depth discussion.
On whose turn should the Power Graph be reported? It doesn't matter because the Power Graph remains the same during the cycle of the turn. However, we recommend that the 1st player (blue) always report the Power Graph results.

Current Rated Games In Progress*:

(Turn rating started in parentheses)
1. R2_Islands(0) - Solver, Fraze, King Thor, Kralj Matjaz, Quinns.
2. Love_Conquers?(50) - St Jon, Mobius, (Keygen), Stavros, Rick Elkins, King Thor.
3. Eagles_at_War(0) - TheBirdMan, Solver, Kralj Matjaz, Notuncommon, Fraze, Krash, Arthur, Quinns.
4. Lung's_Fast(86) - Lung, Stavros, Paul, St Jon, TheBirdMan.
5. Do_Some_PBEM(49) - Solver, TheBirdMan, (Blackice), Paul, Krash, (Stavros).
6. Fixed_Game(30) - King Thor, Stavros, (PN), Keygen, Quinns.
7. Team_Horses(0) - ZoboZeWarrior, Darth Viper, (Blackice), Quinns, Franses, Nuke Boy.
8. Monkey_1(187) - (Yeti), (TheBirdMan), Swissy, (Nuke Boy), Slamp, Paul, (Max Webster), (Fraze).
9B. ** Open **
10. Conquer!!!(23) - (Nukeboy), TheBirdMan, Faded Glory, Stavros, Paul, King Thor, (Jbytheway).
11. Giant_Bird(29) - TheBirdMan, (Stavros), Notuncommon, Franses, Darth Viper, (King Thor).
12. Dutcheese(119) - (Fraze), TheBirdMan, Klair, Duck_Hunter, Max_Webster King_Thor, Slamp, St_Jon.
13. Youngbloods(0) - Hunter, Darth_Viper, Kralj_Matjaz, Phoenixcager, BerXpert, (Blackice).
14. Fly High(29) - TheBirdMan, Notuncommon, Krash, (Fraze), King_Thor, (Arthur), Hunter.
15. Team Spirit(29) - Stavros, Franses, Keygen, Arthur, Maestro, TheBirdMan, Swissy, King Thor
16B. SkullCrushers(0) - Rubbduck, Jesumi, (Hunter), (DeVil), (Dattler)
17B. ** Open **
18. Youngbloods Gathering(0) - Phoenixcager, (Blackice), Rubbduck, BerXpert, Dugrik, (Saddam)
19. Another World(0) - Darth_Viper, Syoris, Rubbduck, Nuke_Boy, Dugrik, Saddam
20. Lungmatch 2.1(66) - Max_Webster, Lung, Arthur
21. Lungmatch 2.2(0) - Keygen, Solver, Swissy
22. Strife(0) - ZoboZeWarrior, PN, Dugrik, (Blackice), Nuke_Boy, Cuaich
23. Lungmatch 3.2(8) - The_True_Demosthenes, Mobius, TheBirdMan
24. Swissy2(238) - The_True_Demosthenes, Mobius, Lung, (Moral Hazard)
25. High Voltage(0) - PN, ZoboZeWarrior, (Blackice), Dugrik, BerXpert, Eohian
26. T.N.T.(0) - Fuzzball, Vitolg, DeVil, Nuke Boy, (Blackice), BerXpert
27. Face of Earth(0) - Nukeboy, Solver, Fuzzball, (Aeroprinz) ? (not sure of order)
28. Aint No Fun(0) - Keygen, (AeroPrinz), Syoris, PN, Nuke Boy, Fuzzball
29. Happy Killers(2) - berXpert, jpww, TheBirdMan, Fraze
30. Alien Seed(0) - Paul, (Blackice), Fraze, Saddam, Max Webster, Swissy, TheBirdMan


* A player in parentheses is unrated in that game.

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Related CTP PBEM Ratings Links


TENPL639_AM
--- Rankings for Apolyton Call to Power Play-by-Email (PBEM).

TENPL641_AM
--- History of Ratings for Apolyton Call to Power PBEM.

TEN619_AM
--- *9th Turn Game Results for Apolyton Call to Power PBEM.

RATINGS FORMULAS
--- Formulas Used in Determining Ratings Calculations.

PBEM LADDERS thread
--- Early Discussions on the Foundation of the CTP PBEM Rating System.

POPULATION GROWTH TABLES
--- CTP City Population Growth Tables.

POWER GRAPH INTERPRETED --- Discussions on Call to Power's Power Graph.

COMPANY, BATTALION, BRIGADE, DIVISION... YIKES
--- Discussions on the Standarization of the Groupings of Military Units in CTP.
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TENPL639_AM Report Legend:

NAT.TR - Nation and Territory of Primary Residence.

PBEM RATING - Starts with an initial value depending upon the highest CtP AI level ever honestly defeated: Chieftain=14; Warlord=16; Prince=17; King=18; Emperor=19; Deity=21. This rating changes by winning or losing to other rated players, (at the *9 turn mark every ten turns), while playing "rated" PBEM games. See the CtP Multiplayer topic "PBEM Ladders" for details on how this rating change is calculated.

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TEN619_AM Report Concepts:

Win/Loss - A Win counts by having a "higher" Power Graph rating at the ten turn mark during a "rated" game. For example, in a five player game, at the ten turn mark, each player will receive four results - 4 wins and 0 losses, or 3 wins and 1 loss, etc.

Delinquency - 24 or more hours late counts as a delinquency. Each delinquency deducts -0.1 ratings points from player's rating.

Inactivity Adjustment - Players will lose 5/100ths of a ratings point (-0.05) for each month they go without a ratings adjustment, (i.e. remain inactive in the ratings for an entire month).
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Elimination Rule

If, in a rated game, a player:
a) resigns;
b) changes status from "rated" to "unrated";
c) gets annihilated; or
d) gets "next turned" for three turns in a row
e) has been found to be using bug utilization tricks,

then every remaining player in that game "DEFEATS" THAT PLAYER THREE TIMES (as measured by the normal ten turn phase defeat).

For example, in a 5 player game, the first person who gets "eliminated from the ratings in that game" would be "defeated" 12 times (as measured by the normal power graph 10 turn defeat), (3 multiplied by 4 remaining players.) This equates to an average decrease in ratings of about 2 to 3 points for the eliminated player. The second player eliminated would be defeated 9 times (3 multiplied by 3 remaining players), ... etc.

In the case of resignation or three consecutive "next turns", then that resigned player's civilization will be "next turned" until a replacement player, (either rated or unrated), takes over that civilization's control.
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Alien Life Victory Rule

If a player wins by completing the Alien Project, then that player defeats every remaining player three times.
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Rating Change Table: - (example +2 to -2)

DIFFERENCE.. RATING
IN RATINGS.. CHANGE (+ for winner, - for loser)
+2.0 ........ 0.083
+1.5 ........ 0.118
+1.0 ........ 0.167
+0.5 ........ 0.222
=0.0 ........ 0.250
-0.5 ........ 0.278
-1.0 ........ 0.333
-1.5 ........ 0.382
-2.0 ........ 0.417



*** Turn of Rating Status -- Rule ***
The rated status of a game will be determined at the end of 9th turn mark, (before turn 10 begins), rather that at the beginning of a game. This means that the first Power Graph rating calculation will take place on turn 19, instead of 9. This rule goes into effect immediately, (1-SEP-2001), but does not affect already rated games.


*** NOTICE TO ALL GAME STARTERS IN RATED GAMES ***

Please post all of your turn *9 power graph results to the latest CTP Ratings thread (this thread). (I don't look at all of the game threads in progress.)

Also, a reminder that all APPLICATIONS FOR NEW RATED GAMES need to be posted here with:
1. Official game name;
2. Player list (in turn order) of all players' APOLYTON HANDLES (no nick names please). Place players that wish to be "unrated" in parentheses;
3. All desired rated players must have a current rating -- (please state their initial rating if they do not have a current rating).
4. The current turn number;
5. The turn number you want the game to become "rated".

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*** Ratings Updated ***

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Thanks again Quinns

For your hardwork and dedication

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Thanks for that Faded Glory (who is no longer Saddam!). Your words are uplifting.

It took me three hours last night to process both rating systems with eight pages of results. Hurry up CivLeague.com!! This is beginning to become too much like WORK! And I know that if I ask for donations... yeah right! My address is:

Steve Quinn
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Make all checks payable to "Steve Quinn" ... LOL that was a good one ... donations ....

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lolololololol quinns
i would certainly give you a donation for your work for all your hard work lol
but im too poor especially after i lost my wallet )-;


im sure there are many rich PBEM people that like to help a worth while charity. This is probably not the best time too ask though.

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must be 6.30 or 8.30 your time now

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Wrong thread no biggy I'm ready cali 2 minutes, Btw it is 7:50 est here pm... catch ya soon..

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Thanks Quinns, If I was a millionare I wouldnt mind making a donation . But ive got to buy food this week , and pay my freakin electric bill



Thanks for nice comments tho :c)

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Well... you're welcome all!

But seriously, if you WOULD like to make a donation, make it to the following...

http://store.yahoo.com/firedonations/

for the fallen New York City Firefighter's Memorial Fund. That would be more than enough reward for my small contributions to the ratings system here. Even 5 USD would help one of the families of the brave souls who tried to save the lives of our brothers and sisters.

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A hurricane near florida

We have terrorists, Reccession, War and hurricanes. Now all we need are locusts



This could only mean one thing- Disaster of biblical proportions is about to occcur

Those people at the millenium celebrations were a good laugh at the time. They could have been right

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Fghting to the last aussie lololol0lolololololololololololololol
f**k that is funny. Air New Zealand just laid off 16000 aussies employed in ansett. Got to laugh at that I apoligise. Well you get that all aussies fault anyway long painful story,for any aussie ansett enployee or any New zealander Tax payer. We forked out 500 million to save the peace of **** air line. Many aussies got sacked so yippy who gives a **** . What goes around comes around. Sorry thats harsh even for me. Had a few so well ummmmmm, well a lot not a few )-:. Better go before i pass out, litterally.

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Air New Zealand just laid off 16000 aussies employed in ansett. Got to laugh at that I apoligise. Well you get that all aussies fault anyway long painful story,for any aussie ansett enployee or any New zealander Tax payer. We forked out 500 million to save the peace of **** air line. Sorry thats harsh even for me. Had a few so well ummmmmm, well a lot not a few )-:. Better go before i pass out, litterally.


What is it with you guys? I wonder how many of you, if only for a nanosecond, imagined those airliners crashing into Centrepoint tower?

quote:
Fghting to the last aussie lololol0lolololololololololololololol
f**k that is funny.


You shouldn't laugh too hard, stupid. If you knew your own history, you would know that wherever there were Aussie troops, there were usually New Zealand troops as well!
The fact that British generals used our troops as cannon fodder should be cause for sadness. That said, it's a bloody good quote from Patton.

Anyway, i'll give you the benefit of the doubt, considering you've had a few. I'll even give you extra benefit in the presumption that you were drinking Steinlager

quote:
Many aussies got sacked so yippy who gives a **** . What goes around comes around.


Yeah, some bloke bowls a ball underarm at a cricket match, so Air New Zealand sacks 16000 Aussies. Sounds fair to me You're just another delusional Kiwi if you think that Air New Zealand paid 500 million bucks just to bail out Ansett Your mob paid the money so they could own a piece of Australia, and ran it into the ground. Hey, the airline existed for 50 years, but as soon as your lot took over, they died in the arse!

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You mean my quote lung


New Zealand...What are they famous for anyway!? Oh yea.....those are the idiots who disbanded there airforce

I hope they are calling there mercenary pilots back from Ethiopia now that this has happened

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Of course it's your quote, old glory (whatever ) I knew that from the start, but apparently our envious Kiwi friend doesn't get the context

Anyway, the Kiwis no longer have an air force because they think we'll come to their aid, regardless of how badly they act toward us. Perhaps they correctly assumed that no one would ever want to invade them

Glory, let me tell you about the Aussie tourist who ventured across the New Zealand countryside many years ago. Keep in mind that New Zealanders can't say vowels, and the few that they can, they say wrong e.g. i's become e's, e's become u's, and u's disappear altogether! ugh! It's frightful to behold!!!

So this Aussie is walking up a country road, when he sees a farmer out in a paddock, apparently trying to push a sheep through a fence. As he approaches, he's about to say hello, when he notices the farmer's pants around his ankles!! Bemused, the Aussie ventures closer, and he notices that the farmer is deep in coital joy (so to speak ) with the sheep!

He yells out to the surprised farmer "Hey! Shouldn't you be shearing that sheep?!" to which the Kiwi farmer replies "get fcked! I'm not sharing her with any bastard!!!"



Of course, there are 95 million sheep in New Zealand, and three and a half million of them think they're human!

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you are ****in hilarous lung!!

Thats our very own Lung




quote:
95 million sheep

So I guess theres plenty to go around :insert perverted smilie:






Dont worry lung, wont be long after the icebergs thaw they will be the first to go

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Hey lung. Now I think I understand why your government kept those refugees out in the ocean

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Hey lung. Now I think I understand why your government kept those refugees out in the ocean


No, that's why we changed the rules so New Zealanders had to get visas before coming here There's so many of them over here that their capital may as well be Bondi!

Hey! How does a New Zealand farmer count sheep?

One, two, three, four, five, sex, siven, hi honey, eight, nine, tin, elivin....

BAAA!!!!

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och and och and och lolol
Sadly there isnt anywhere near 90 million sheep here . Closer to 35 million. We still get to go to aussie and visit the sheep for a awhile, but we cant get the dole anymore )-:. Air New Zealand looks to be certain to be going bust now, unless sinapore airlines is allowed to bail it out.

Yip we sold our airforce now, cancelling the purchase for more planes from the US. Well with 12 planes whats that going to defend us against ? So whats the point? The Airforce is the most expensive form of defense i beleive. We get involved in peace keeping a lot so it makes more sense to spend money on equipment for that.

Aussies give us so much **** about sheep but they have far far more, oh well they cant count either i guess.
I was drinking Speights (actually what all the sheep farmers drink sadly) not steinlager im too poor for that at present)-:

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Heu, what is the topic of this threads ?

Kiwis reproduction strategies or why zobo falls from the 7th rank to the 31 ?

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Sorry solver

Just me and the lungster having a bit of fun


LOL Zobo

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why zobo falls from the 7th rank to the 31 ?


Ouch was it one game or two out of 20 that got you there
I am not laughing at you for sure, it's the statistics the odds the facts...

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Lungmatch1.2 Ratings - Turn 99

1. Lung the Great
2. Max Webster the Ordinary
3. Blackice the Hopeless, but witty

I promise no more New Zealand jokes

BTW, benevolent Solver, why haven't you responded to my e-mails, you swine?! The hand of the Lung-god may be forced to alter the parameters of the world if Lungmatch2.2 doesn't get moving again!

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Blackice... "There you go again!" Mocking out the "statistics" again and again and again. Lung says you're rated in the above Lung Match??? Is that true? What the...?

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I can't help myself
But I am ever so happy to see you laugh about it

as far as Lung the weenie goes I think he has eaten to many sheep that hotdog needs a thick coat of mustard to slow him down

I am not rated in the game but I have been witty I admit to that guilty as charged one of the funniest diplomactic exchanges going in here thanks guys

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How did I end up at the bottom of the table?

Was the last Youngbloods Gathering turn (59) posted?

 
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