08-04-2001 06:35									#32
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One important thing, one of the goals of this is to make newbies and weaker people learn.

So what you should do is have your discussions ever these boards so that everyone will be able to see and download the game.

I also suggest the following: Each game consists of basically 5 people. A republic if you will. In elections, held on request or every 40 turns a new head is decided. The head is not to be a dictatoral leader but one who will break the tie and have the main say.

The five players need not bee constant through out all of the game as participants may get tired \ bored.

All the discussions are posted here. Anyone can participate in the discussion but the 5 players have the final say.

As later the 5 people devide the republic according to provinces, in the first turns before there are enough cities, decisions are made together.

The leader is the one comitting the turns. He is to play a turn twice. Once he does not commit any action but only writes down every decision he is prompted to make with it's choises and writes it down on the forum.

After all decisions are made he reloads the game with the same turn and applies the submitted and decided uppon choises for each decision.

In case of a unique event demanding real time attention:
Some events are random that may happen during play time, such as a special request by the AI civ, a demand to withdraw, make peace anything else. for that option the actuall turn is committed while players are online so a conference may be held.

The leader must be online together with at least one more player to decide or commit turns. Those two however can't be the only one deciding. They must hear the advice of atleast one more person.

The devision of cities isn't permanent and isn't equal. It can be equal but it isn't required. That is, if one player has sprawled many cities, he can give some of them bordering other provinces to other players to effectively devide responsibility.

Also if there is one player especially succesfull at raising new cities, he should be put in charge of new cities. If one is good at getting good happyness, he should replace another player for the time of the rebellion.

No selfishness! A selfish player should be voted out of the game!

People can ask questions about chosen decisions and it's the duty of the players to answer why they did this instead of that.

There is no limitation or copyright on games. That is, if one team, determined to play OCC and one player wants to use the first turn save to develop it into an ICS he is allowed to do so. Infact he is welcomed to do so.

No one game is to be considered the ultimate one or the perfect one. All teams try to perfect their game according to their strategies, the circumstances and the advice they get.

I think it is very important that natural dieties and very good players participate since learning is a big part of it. If you don't want to participate as a player, fine, but do visit the forums and give advice.

These are the joint team open source civ games.

	08-04-2001 15:40									#33
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Then get some really good deity player too.


On Emperor I win if i'm lucky enough, and on Deity only on maps that I make, on which the AI stuck on mountains.

Ok, I'll play.


Deity Dude said he wants to play in the first game.

Btw, time zones can be a problem. DD, ni what timezone are you?

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	08-04-2001 20:20									#34
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I could play, although I'm not sure I'm good enough.

But... If Eli is playing and he didn't win a single Deity game (AFAIK) I can play.

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	09-04-2001 04:17									#35
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I'm in the same time zone as you eli, what a stupid question!

	09-04-2001 12:35									#36
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I'd be happy to play in the first game too,...

	09-04-2001 23:30									#39
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im in the eastern time zone, United States.

	10-04-2001 19:34									#40
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And what about a group of 5 players playing against another group of 5 players,...It could be done if we play in an HotSeat game,...

	11-04-2001 03:46									#41
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You know we could play the perfect game, 7 teams of 3 in hotseat, but, A. it would be too easy to cheat. B. we wouldn't see opponents attacks.
C. we would know about opponents attacks as they would have to vote over attacks on these public forums . We could do it covertly but then the fun is less. THe idea is os everybody see everything.

As to claims about competition, I know. I think it'll spice up the game and that's how it also often works in real life. We'll see.

So:

[*]Taurus
[*]Eli
[*]Deity Dude
[*]rixxe
[*]Sirotnikov

Cool.
Now we have the bloody job of voting for leaders.
One can't vote for himself.
And yes I see it is unfair as 3 of us live near by, and 2 are best of friends. However I am pretty sure of my skills. And I'm also sure of Taurus's. So I nominate Taurus for King.

Note: Elections will be held. Onfortunately he can't really oppose it. No secret police and stuff
Though he could as a leader lower happyness, build a happy wonder / improvement in the capital (his control) and have us begging for mercy

Oh, wait, was I showing how cruel I am???

	11-04-2001 03:55									#42
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I don't know about Deity Duke or Rixxe, but Siro is better than Eli.

So I vote for him.

	11-04-2001 03:57									#43
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So in what style we decided to play?

The hotseat, my original proposal, or other?


Btw, dont vote for me.

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	11-04-2001 04:10									#44
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I think it's your proposal.

Btw, what will be our general playing style? ICS?

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	11-04-2001 16:21									#45
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Depends on the map we choose to play on.


If it's some giga map that we will have to use ICS in the early ears, but I think we should start the first game on a small or normal map.

	11-04-2001 23:14									#46
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MMmmm, I don't vote, as I've never played anyone of you,...

BTW, what's everybody availability to play?

I can play from 7:30pm to 0:00 (monday to friday) and generally from 1:00pm to 6:00pm (week-end) (GMT+1)

	11-04-2001 23:29									#47
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Btw, what does it matter what hours can we play?


The whole point is dicussing on the forums the next moves. We dont have to be online in the same hours...

	12-04-2001 00:49									#48
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As Eli wrote, I don't know why I'm posting this, but what the heck.

My hours are mostly 22:00-24:00 (GMT + 2) - sometimes I get in different hours, but mostly those ones.

	12-04-2001 20:37									#49
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I have never played with any of the players so I have no way of voting for leader. What might be important is knowing each players style of play and putting people with similiar styles on teams.

My thought would be sort of a competetion. Maybe ICS'ers vs Perfectionists (for an extreme example). Both teams plays the same game with the same civ concurrently. This would serve 2 purposes: 1) Competetion between the 2 teams 2) Real life games for newcomers to watch and ask questions about.

As for available times, I agree I dont think its necessary, but im available most weeknights 9pm - 2am Eastern Time Zone.

Another idea to speed it up a little: Maybe we could do four or five moves at a time via an IM package and post summaries here.

	13-04-2001 02:12									#51
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Well, Eli. I guess this means that your vote is the vote that will make Siro or me the leader of our team.

So, who will it be, Siro or me?

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	13-04-2001 02:15									#52
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Taurus

	13-04-2001 18:56									#53
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Yey ! It means that I get to be supreme leader !

Another step towards my way to world domination...

Hey... Sorry... You never heard that.


So when are we starting?

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	13-04-2001 23:19									#54
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Ok, we're 5 and this is good.

If we'll have to vote, you cannot abstain, that's how one side will always win.


I suggest Deity,7,RH,Small map.

	14-04-2001 02:24									#56
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No.

I start it because this is my idea.


But let's wait, maybe there are other suggestions.

	14-04-2001 13:17									#57
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Hi
I have been away from home, butI think it is great that you guys are finally getting this off the ground. Only thing needed now is to organise how novices can access the map and info to see what is happening. I am not a computer boffin, maybe this is all basic stuff. would it be possible for me to get the same map and starting point so that I can compare my own game. As to everything else, I live in Thailand, would this pose problems for me getting involved?

I do like Deiy Dudes comment "My thought would be sort of a competetion. Maybe ICS'ers vs Perfectionists (for an extreme example). Both teams plays the same game with the same civ concurrently. This would serve 2 purposes: 1) Competetion between the 2 teams 2) Real life games for newcomers to watch and ask questions about."
Is this at all possible?

	15-04-2001 16:20									#59
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So when will you start this game Eli...I've been pretty busy these last days, but now I'll be fully available
[This message has been edited by rixxe (edited April 15, 2001).]

	15-04-2001 16:30									#60
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I dunno, is there something left to discuss?