16-09-2001 22:31									#31
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	16-09-2001 22:38									#32
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Chinese city names are still hard to read tho. Maybe if it was in black or if it was in bold it would help legibility...

	16-09-2001 22:40									#33
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those are old shots.

the new ones have the civs color as a background behind the citynames.

check civ3.com

	16-09-2001 22:49									#34
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Here the links to screenshots. These are new (i think)
http://bonusweb.cz/obrazek.html?obr...tion3_scr30.jpg


bonusweb.cz/obrazek.html?obrazek=civilization3_scr33.jpg

The first one is a birds eye view of an unknown city. Looks like its on a river.
The second is the German civ in the stone age. Some of the cities are production Musketmen, an "Epic" and a 'Forbiden Palace"

	16-09-2001 22:53									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Col Bigspear I think that the Fat Woman is Catherine the Grt of Russia, but i'm not sure. Pfffffh I don't want to play as Russia anymore (Though I thought it was Queen Victoria at first) I see Bismark is the new German leader. If Mao is in why can't they make a downloadable Hitler. I know it may piss people off, but I sure would like to see that stare at the diplomacy table . Ok Adolf you win, here's all my gold. Or a Czar Nicolas II

I thought it was Victoria too...

	17-09-2001 00:19									#36
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Most of the screens look quite nice.

Too many roads/rails.

You don´t need the scientific method for flight ; so You can get helicopters long before even simple tanks; weird.

I do not always understand the ratio behind what is within a border and what is not. On one of the screens there is a single tile northeast of Rome, where I really can´t figure out why it belongs to Your civ.

When have the Germans occupied Salzburg? Salzburg is, was and will be Austrian. (Seriously, this is like making Warsaw Russian, or Brussels French.)

	17-09-2001 00:57									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tribune When have the Germans occupied Salzburg? Salzburg is, was and will be Austrian. (Seriously, this is like making Warsaw Russian, or Brussels French.)

Salzburg was in civ2, I think as one of those 'extra' city names which come when you run out of civ specific ones. I might be wrong, it may have been in as a german one, but it was definitely in.

Anyway, my point is that it might be a 'neutraly' named city and its just co-incidence that germany has it, or they might have run out of german cities and put austrian ones in later on the list.

After all, would you rather your 52nd city as german was an austrian city or an australian one?

	17-09-2001 10:37									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Rhysie After all, would you rather your 52nd city as german was an austrian city or an australian one?

Id prefer them to be Australian cities, of course

	17-09-2001 17:30									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Col Bigspear (Though I thought it was Queen Victoria at first)

Yeah, that's what I thought too.
It certainly looks quite much like Victoria in her
old days. So I was quite confused for a few moments,
because Beth II has appeared earlier as the ruler of Britain,
so I almost thought that they at Firaxis have changed their mind.

But, I don't think it looks like Catherine, because (see attachment)
she looked a bit better than that old mad cow in that screenshot.

	17-09-2001 17:57									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Rasbelin Beth II has appeared earlier as the ruler of Britain

Liz II is our current queen, methinks you mean Liz I...

	17-09-2001 20:50									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Rhysie Anyway, my point is that it might be a 'neutraly' named city and its just co-incidence that germany has it, or they might have run out of german cities and put austrian ones in later on the list. After all, would you rather your 52nd city as german was an austrian city or an australian one?

Neither; the Germans DO have 52 cities, after all. I think.

Seriously: There is something to Your argument, but as I might want to create an Austrian custom-civ, I´d prefer Austrian city names not to be used at all in the shipped game.

	17-09-2001 22:05									#42
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Well they are old screenshots, but still, you can gain new info from them.

Hey, even at that age, do you still reckon Catherine the Great still went with horses? Hey, maybe they should write it into the game that Catherine the Great has to acquire horse resources at all costs, otherwise she'd never be 'satisfied'

	17-09-2001 23:05									#43
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Who decided on Catherine the Grt anway?.
Why not Khruschev or Czar Nicolas II, who want's to play as a woman. (don't reply, Women!. Plz) Now it's been sometime since I played as England so could some one tell me if I would get called Mrs Khruschev or something?

	17-09-2001 23:11									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Col Bigspear Who decided on Catherine the Grt anway?.

Gotta love that political correctness by Firaxis.

	17-09-2001 23:27									#45
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quote: Originally posted by red_jon Liz II is our current queen, methinks you mean Liz I...

Ok, the Queen is instantly recognizable, but the Monarchy has been out of power since the Civil war. ( and I am aware that Queen Liz I ruled before the Civil war). I wan't Tony Blair

Vote Labour, Vote Tony Blair for Civ 4.
Polls will open in 5 years.

	18-09-2001 16:14									#46
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quote: Originally posted by red_jon Liz II is our current queen, methinks you mean Liz I...

My fingers where faster than my brain.

	18-09-2001 16:27									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Col Bigspear Why not Khruschev or Czar Nicolas II, who want's to play as a woman. (don't reply, Women!. Plz) Now it's been sometime since I played as England so could some one tell me if I would get called Mrs Khruschev or something?

Are you jealous on female intelligence?
At least Elizabeth I and Catherine the Great were all
good leaders, at least if you compare them to some of the leaders
in these days. But you're right, I think these options would
have been better as the leader of the Russians:

- Peter the Great
- Alexander III
- Nikolaij II
- V.I. Lenin
- Josef Stalin
- Mihailj Gorbachov

Well, Gorba is still alive and everyone doesn't
see Stalin as an acceptable leader, but still...
They have been succesfull leaders (IMHO).

But Catherine is at least better than nothing at all.

	18-09-2001 22:14									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Rasbelin - Nikolaij II

I don't think he was successful, because he was actually the one that made the communist rule possible, by not listening to his people!

	19-09-2001 03:07									#49
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This is off topic but since you guys are on the subject of Catherine the Great I'd just like to share something I heard about her. When I took Euro history I was told that she had some sexual perversions (something to do with animals...) I don't know if this is true but my teach didn't deny it. I was shocked to hear this but weird rumors like this abound when I think of history. Sorry if I offended anyone.

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quote: Originally posted by Col Bigspear I think that the Fat Woman is Catherine the Grt of Russia, but i'm not sure. Pfffffh I don't want to play as Russia anymore (Though I thought it was Queen Victoria at first) I see Bismark is the new German leader. If Mao is in why can't they make a downloadable Hitler. I know it may piss people off, but I sure would like to see that stare at the diplomacy table . Ok Adolf you win, here's all my gold. Or a Czar Nicolas II

Hey Catherine the Great was a ruthless woman. She expanded her empire from the Balitic to the Balkans. She won every war she fought.

Yes, Bismark. I have the Box (pre-order box from retail store) it shows all the leaders except one. I don't even think hitler was one of the great German leaders. Let's be realistic, it was German engineering that made the German war machine. Not hilter, he was a stupid man. Everyone knows during war you don't kill off millions of workers, you make them work for you and serve in your army.

I'm thinking Montezuma for Aztecs. But, he looks much lighter than before in his skin color. No idea who the Iriqoius leader is. I'm assuming Shaka again for the Zulus.

One big thing though, Why are some of these nations in and not the Mongols. Let's be realistic here, you think the Zulus should be in instead of the Mongols? I'm sure Khan would be putting the smack down on the designers right about now.

	19-09-2001 15:55									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Nikolai I don't think he was successful, because he was actually the one that made the communist rule possible, by not listening to his people!

I know that. I added him on purpose so that someone
who knows Russian history well, would catch on that.

As a matter of fact he was one of the worst czars
in the whole history of the Russian monarchy.

	19-09-2001 17:10									#52
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quote: Originally posted by ruckus9 This is off topic but since you guys are on the subject of Catherine the Great I'd just like to share something I heard about her. When I took Euro history I was told that she had some sexual perversions (something to do with animals...) I don't know if this is true but my teach didn't deny it. I was shocked to hear this but weird rumors like this abound when I think of history. Sorry if I offended anyone.

hey, look at my last post, that is what it was all about (a joke referring to Catherine the Great's bestiality and the horse special resource )

And as for the Salzburg question: I cannot remember the city list for the Germans in Civ2, but Salzburg was most certainly on the list for German cities in Civ1, but this will have been sorted out long since. I mean, why would they have to add an Austrian city. Same with Konigsberg which used to be on the list, which is now in Russia (Kaliningrad) Lets face it, there is no shortage of German cities to add on the list, such as Kiel or Düsseldorf or Dortmund, which weren't included.

	20-09-2001 01:10									#53
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Provost Harrison: hey you're right. I must've overlooked that post. Well I guess it's common knowledge then

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quote: Originally posted by Gramphos Turns working with it? Shields left, but I count it to 9, not 12.

It says 121 not 12... Making it 130 shields needed to build a university...

	24-09-2001 16:52									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Cannes It says 121 not 12... Making it 130 shields needed to build a university...

I think it says 12)