16-09-2001 03:58									#1
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Bonusweb did an interview with Sid Meier and posted some new screenshots.

Here's a link to the screenshot section of the magazine:
http://www.bonusweb.cz/download/scr...3scr010810.html

Civfanatics website is promissing the translation of the interview soon

	16-09-2001 04:17									#2
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Here are the links to the new screenshots:

Histograph and Top5 Cities

Egyptian map 280 A.D.

Thebes cityview

Chinese 1948 A.D.

Egyptian 840 A.D.

Persian 440 A.D.

Egyptian 1051 A.D.

Industrial Age Tech Tree

Middle Age Tech Tree

Chinese 1768 A.D.

Leaders

	16-09-2001 04:23									#3
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Well, some of the new ones are old screenshots, even if they're new to fans. The histograph picture has the SMAC drone icon and the old shipyard icon (large anchor versus the new small diamonds on Civ3.com). I bet the screenshot is pretty similar to the final, but a little more polished when we actually see the real game.

	16-09-2001 04:23									#4
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The city names look like they are from early build screenshots...

but I don't think I've seen these before.

	16-09-2001 04:29									#5
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Taking by the chinese picture it seems that the workers won't be updated with the passage of time.

	16-09-2001 04:33									#6
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This Screenshots are the best and clearest ive seen yet. I have now seen just about everything except most of the units. I even spotted a Barbarian


Thanks Pggar

	16-09-2001 04:49									#7
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All of the screenshots are alpha-screenshots. None of them have the little touches of polish that the Civ3.com screenshots have (the bottom title bar, the smaller harbor symbols). Some of the screenshots above don't even have the railroads connecting between tiles. Damn, I wish Civ3.com would release a few more beta shots, especially of the modern age, instead of just answering text questions.

	16-09-2001 05:59									#8
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if you go to the end of the adress bar and type in any number up to 37 you get a screenshot not linked to in the original page

	16-09-2001 06:50									#9
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There are a couple of pictures I haven't seen before.

	16-09-2001 10:43									#10
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quote: Originally posted by SerapisIV All of the screenshots are alpha-screenshots.

I dont know, but isnt it the other way around: First beta, then alpha? Anyway, I agree with you that some screenshots looks rather unfinished & unpolished. I realize that these guys are pressed for time, but coulnt they at least make it a policy to release the latest and most updated screenshots only?

Theres nothing new in these map-screenshots (and older ones) that have changed my old criticism:

A: More emphasize is needed in founding AI coastal cities, then working inwards, for more efficient land-use.
B: Some AI city-areas are too closely overlaped, without any terrain/resource-apparent reasons.
C: More consistent emphasize on cultivating AI city-areas (some relatively big cities have lots of terrain-improvements, while just as big neighbor-cities has almost none - why?). More dedicated exploitation, please.
D: How is it even possible to sustain really big 15+ AI-cities with few/hardly any food-related terrain-inprovements? Something is wrong here.
E: Give us better looking irrigation-graphics; something thats looks manmade, straight & regular, and with some eatable-looking growing in them - instead of these natural terrain-type looking mosquito-infested marshes.
F: Make RR:s through cultivated areas a mixed blessing (= shield/resource-output increased, but food-output decreased) - all in order to avoid the dense spiderweb-RR:s.

This tech-tree sceenshot have some text-overflow (scientific method, the corporation & amphibious warfare). Looks cheap & sloppy, but I guess they change that before the final release.

In this island screenshot, I like the curvy-style railroads. I dont like the fluffy green steelwool-looking forest-tiles near the 10-pop city. And the over-proportional pimple-looking mountains seems to be an inadequate excuse for a promished 3D-ish terrain-look, which I prefer to associate with 3-4 distinct height-levels (from deep ocean to high plateu). The Advisor-screenshots however are all high class.

	16-09-2001 13:04									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Ralf isnt it the other way around: First beta, then alpha?

Alpha comes before beta. The alpha phase is in-house software development, where the software changes greatly. Beta software is largely complete, and is being tested outside the development house to find and fix bugs.

	16-09-2001 14:51									#12
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In the city view screenshot, it seems like the city is building a unit and a building at the same time. It's a little hard to see because of some overlapping graphics, but it seems like Thebes is building a catapult which will be finished in three turn and a university which will be finished in two turns.

Does anyone know anything about this?

	16-09-2001 14:55									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Yog-Sothoth In the city view screenshot, it seems like the city is building a unit and a building at the same time. It's a little hard to see because of some overlapping graphics, but it seems like Thebes is building a catapult which will be finished in three turn and a university which will be finished in two turns. Does anyone know anything about this?

It says 3 turns to Growth.
Anyway, it says University: 12 on the map and complete in 2 turns in the city. Is there a connection between these numbers?

	16-09-2001 15:12									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Gramphos It says 3 turns to Growth. Anyway, it says University: 12 on the map and complete in 2 turns in the city. Is there a connection between these numbers?

LOL

Yog Smacks himself on the head for being stupid

Dunno about the numbers being different. What else than turns left would be useful to show on the map?

	16-09-2001 15:22									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Yog-Sothoth What else than turns left would be useful to show on the map?

Turns working with it?
Shields left, but I count it to 9, not 12.

	16-09-2001 16:24									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Pggar Taking by the chinese picture it seems that the workers won't be updated with the passage of time.

I can tell just from glancing at these screens that almost every one of them has changed rather significantly since these were taken. Workers are a perfect example, as you no longer get ancient-era workers running around in the industrial era -- they change to a more "modernized" worker.

Dan

	16-09-2001 16:26									#17
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I'm happy to here that the worker graphics will change with time

	16-09-2001 16:53									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Dan Magaha FIRAXIS Workers are a perfect example, as you no longer get ancient-era workers running around in the industrial era -- they change to a more "modernized" worker. Dan

Thank goodness, I was getting scared that the Engineer was being cut. I wouldn't be too thrilled seeing all my schoolwork go to waste because its no longer needed

Thanks Dan, any word on when Civ3.com will release some new screenshots?

	16-09-2001 16:59									#19
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Take a look at the first Scientific Advisor screenshot.

It looks like Advanced Flight has not two, but three prerequisite techs: Flight, Motorized Transportation, and Radio.

	16-09-2001 17:16									#20
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sorry, that was stupid of me

	16-09-2001 17:26									#21
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if you look at http://bonusweb.cz/obrazek.html?obr...tion3_scr15.jpg the boundary north-west of the island really looks weird, what could be the cause?

	16-09-2001 17:33									#22
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i think the boundaries only extend so far as you can see

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quote: Originally posted by Tventano if you look at http://bonusweb.cz/obrazek.html?obr...tion3_scr15.jpg the boundary north-west of the island really looks weird, what could be the cause?

From what I'm seeing, it looks like boundaries only extend into oceans that are at a certain depth depending on (I guess) the culture level of the nearby city. So the tiles that are not within the boundary are too deep, thus the boundary assumes an odd shape by wrapping around the shallow ocean tiles but not the deeper ones.

	16-09-2001 18:43									#24
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I reckon that harbours extend the boundary over sea squares, and docks extend the boundary over the ocean squares.

If you look at the most Northerly city, its boundary extends over exactly the same kind of square that is untouched lower down.

	16-09-2001 19:53									#25
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quote: Originally posted by SerapisIV Thank goodness, I was getting scared that the Engineer was being cut.

Maybe its the same old worker-unit in newer clothes? Only a graphical change? I hope not - I want to be forced to upgrade to the more powerful up-to-date engineer-unit.

	16-09-2001 20:06									#26
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I have some problems with understanding the histograph... How do I see who's the best, it can be both the Chinese and the French! And if the Russians get stronger than the current best, how will that be showed without getting confusing!

	16-09-2001 20:47									#27
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Who are those soldiers you get with advanced flight?

Not rocket-pack troops surely?

	16-09-2001 20:56									#28
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Sandman I was just going to state the same question, and how about those under replaceable parts?

Nikolai i think the best civ has the larger area, at least that is how histographs work in other games.

	16-09-2001 20:56									#29
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yea, theyre old shot that we never saw before... odd...

WHAT I SAW:

Chinese 1948 A.D. - has a hospital being built, and "Iron works"

Egyptian 840 A.D. - egyptian war chariot still wandering around while railroads are visible

Leaders Shot: who is the fat woman on the top left?

(i bet dan doesn't answer that )

	16-09-2001 22:06									#30
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I think that the Fat Woman is Catherine the Grt of Russia, but i'm not sure. Pfffffh I don't want to play as Russia anymore

(Though I thought it was Queen Victoria at first)

I see Bismark is the new German leader.
If Mao is in why can't they make a downloadable Hitler. I know it may piss people off, but I sure would like to see that stare at the diplomacy table . Ok Adolf you win, here's all my gold.
Or a Czar Nicolas II

Last edited by Col Bigspear on 16-09-2001 at 22:17