17-09-2001 06:18									#1
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I understand that MP issues can be discussed in Civ 3 General forum at present. However, there are quite a lot of discussions now. Those who are not interested may find MPers frequently bumming threads not of their interest.

If a Civ 3 MP forum is set up, it will satisfy those who are mainly interested in game features of Civ 3. The MP folks will have to visit Civ 3 general for game features but they will also be pleased to have a dedicated place for the coming MP discussion.

For your consideration MarkG. You know that there are quite a few persons here interested in Civ 3 MP. It is you to determine whether it reaches critical mass yet.

	17-09-2001 09:54									#2
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Maybe he know's something that we don't...

	17-09-2001 19:34									#3
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just adding myself to the not-yet-critical mass...

	17-09-2001 20:08									#4
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i dont see the need for a forum an a topic that we know nearly nothing about

	17-09-2001 20:15									#5
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we can speculate about it, after all there's a Big Huge Games forum and AFAIK they've not made any games

	17-09-2001 20:24									#6
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i'm sure the civ3-general is big enough for all the "civ3-mp speculations" threads

	17-09-2001 20:32									#7
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you're going to have to make one sooner or later and why clutter up the general forum with threads about mp? of course if there's not enough posters that want a separate mp forum then we don't need one yet. shall we wait and see how many want the forum before dismissing the idea?

	17-09-2001 21:35									#8
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There are matters other then this blunted spearpoint to attend to.
(Like making a medium style )

	18-09-2001 00:58									#9
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The creation of a Civ3 MP forum is unnessacary at this point in time.

	18-09-2001 02:04									#10
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I dont particularly "want" one - but there are alot of forums here I don't particularly "want". (how about MOO 1/2 - 176 total posts) I guess the real questions is "why not" Does it cost money to add a forum? Is there some other reason?

Telling the people who want one to post in general is not a solution. General is not an appropriate place for MP topics. Anyone interested in MP would never look into general, thus insuring that there is no MP discussion.

I'm sure there is a good reason for not having an MP civ 3 forum and I anxiously await to hear it

	18-09-2001 02:26									#11
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG i dont see the need for a forum an a topic that we know nearly nothing about

AHA!!!

Markos is trying to look good for Sid and others. He wants to minimize our whining and yelling.

	18-09-2001 03:36									#12
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I don't particularly want or need one, but if it would help clear out all the whining and arguing from the general forum, it'd be fine with me.

	18-09-2001 04:53									#13
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I'd like to support my Multiplaying bretheren in asking for a Civ3 MP forum.

Those SP people are bullies and they are jealous of our superior gameplaying abilities. They envy our skill and thus spam and attack any thread us MPers start in Civ3 general. We need a place of our own to raise our MP children in peace without fear of the repressive SPers attacking us.

Can't we all just get along?

	18-09-2001 06:49									#14
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG i'm sure the civ3-general is big enough for all the "civ3-mp speculations" threads

You could say the same of civilizations...

	18-09-2001 09:55									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Deity Dude Telling the people who want one to post in general is not a solution. General is not an appropriate place for MP topics. Anyone interested in MP would never look into general, thus insuring that there is no MP discussion.

people didnt have problem posting about MP so far...

	18-09-2001 17:18									#16
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Why? So we can discuss whether or not there will be MP? Come on this will die out as soon as there is some type of official word. And at that time if MP is in then a seperate forum would be nice to talk about our games but if it is not then why do we need it?

	18-09-2001 18:40									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Gramphos There are matters other then this blunted spearpoint to attend to. (Like making a medium style )

more people want an mp forum than a medium style


tniem: there's other things MPers discuss, such as "Dreaming a history for a world yet to hit the shelves"

	18-09-2001 18:50									#18
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quote: Originally posted by ColdWizard more people want an mp forum than a medium style

It was just one example, I can also say like changing the Unbanned smilie.

Still, I suggested a MP forum before, but Mark started to close threads at the same time, and I think that that is a good enough solution until we know whenever MP will be in at release.

	18-09-2001 19:44									#19
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Hey, guys, arguing with Markos never leads to results .
If I was asked, though, I'd vote for adding the MP forum, but I know Markos isn't going to listen to us .

	19-09-2001 01:28									#20
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG people didnt have problem posting about MP so far...

I disagree. For example, I didn't even know there were conversations about MP going on in General until I read this. I'm sure the response will be something like - "well you do now so everything is OK"

I havnt read the forums in Civ3. And if you asked me, I don't see the need for any forums about a game that hasn't been released. What can be discussed? Having said that, I will say I don't think a Civ3 MP forum is any less valid than any other Civ3 forum.

As far as I'm concerned the real question (which I asked earlier) still remains:

Why not have a Civ3 MP forum?

I don't know what it takes to run one of these so there may be some very valid reasons I don't understand (cost, time,technical issues, etc.). I just think if there are valid reasons they should be stated and everyone would feel alot better.

	19-09-2001 02:20									#21
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Markos,
If you've looked at the threads below in Civ3 general, you've no doubt seen lots of flaming back and forth between MP and SP advocates. One could reasonably say that they were "MP" threads, but large areas of the discussion gets overwhelmed by the flaming, so MP advocates have a right to feel impacted if not exactly persecuted.

--Civ III, Don't Buy If SP only
--Mike Breitkreutz, now you're here, can you please say something about MP ?

Maybe you want that kind of lively discourse and maybe you don't.

	19-09-2001 03:33									#22
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Who flamed?

	19-09-2001 09:13									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Deity Dude I havnt read the forums in Civ3. And if you asked me, I don't see the need for any forums about a game that hasn't been released. What can be discussed? Having said that, I will say I don't think a Civ3 MP forum is any less valid than any other Civ3 forum. As far as I'm concerned the real question (which I asked earlier) still remains: Why not have a Civ3 MP forum?

hold on. first you say that there is no need for a civ3-mp forum and then ask for one to be created?

	19-09-2001 09:18									#24
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quote: Originally posted by johndmuller If you've looked at the threads below in Civ3 general, you've no doubt seen lots of flaming back and forth between MP and SP advocates. One could reasonably say that they were "MP" threads, but large areas of the discussion gets overwhelmed by the flaming, so MP advocates have a right to feel impacted if not exactly persecuted.

if you felt that someone was flamed you should be reporting it to the admins. creating a new forum is not the sollution for such issues

	19-09-2001 13:16									#25
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What is the point in having a Civ3-MP forum. The purpose of the ones in the other gaming sections is to track PBEMs and stuff like that. I will get too confusing if the Civ3 section is chopped up to much and we have difficulty tracking down what we are looking for. Stay as it is, launch the MP section when the MP ready for Civ3 itself, next year.

	19-09-2001 18:23									#26
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PH,

Originally MP was about how to play MP. The transformation into a place to set up games was resisted by Markos. (He can get quite mule-headed about "what goes where".) He wanted to force the MPers to use GameLeague (now thankfully deceased) to set up their games.

	19-09-2001 18:44									#27
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quote: Originally posted by GP Originally MP was about how to play MP. The transformation into a place to set up games was resisted by Markos. (He can get quite mule-headed about "what goes where".) He wanted to force the MPers to use GameLeague (now thankfully deceased) to set up their games.

and as you can see PH, i'm so mule-headed that noone uses the civ2-mp forum to set up games....

	19-09-2001 19:03									#28
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG hold on. first you say that there is no need for a civ3-mp forum and then ask for one to be created?

Not quite. What I said was I didn't really see a need for ANY forums about civ 3 since the game hasn't been released. I also said an MP forum was as valid as any other civ 3 forum.

My point was there are a lot of forums out here. I generally read only 2 of them. So if u were to ask me I would say that there is only a need for civ 2 strategy and civ 2 MP. But my wants are not necessarily indicative of the entire civ communities wants. From what I am seeing there seems to be alot of people (and perhaps even more than show interest in certain existing forums) who have an interest for a civ 3 MP forum. Does everybody want one - no. Would everybody read or post in it - no. Does everybody think it is necessary - no. But that could be said about every forum here.

I repeat my question for the 3rd time. Why not have one? Is there some valid reason that those of us who don't run these things aren't aware of (i.e. cost, resources, manpower etc.). Most people here are very reasonable and I'm sure if a reasoable/valid answer was given, people would accept it. But to just say - "you don't need it" or "Post in general" or "This isn't a democracy" isn't an answer - its a diversion from the question.

	19-09-2001 19:17									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Deity Dude I repeat my question for the 3rd time. Why not have one?

because people dont post on empty forums. and judging from the amount of mp threads in the civ3-general forums, that's what a civ3-mp forum would end up being right now. and then i would have GP complain about me keeping an empty forum alive

there will be a civ3-mp forum when there is actual info on mp that will create some discussion.
right now the only mp talk is whether or not there will be mp in civ3!

	19-09-2001 19:28									#30
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG and as you can see PH, i'm so mule-headed that noone uses the civ2-mp forum to set up games....

Naah...you allowed it...but it took some special pleading from Ming. You were acting very clenched-jaw at first.