18-09-2001 02:10									#1
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I noticed in another thread that you were creating a Boot II scenario. Forgive my ignorance, but is this a remake of the 'up the deadly boot' scenario about the allied invasion of Italy during WWII? If so, what changes are you making? Do you have a preview page or can you post some in this thread?

I remember I bought MGE just so that I could play the original boot scenario!

	18-09-2001 03:13									#2
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Caspian: I was just thinking the same thing. I sent JP an email but he has yet to respond....definitely this sounds interesting ever since I figured out how to beat "Boot" fully!

	18-09-2001 03:32									#3
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quote: Originally posted by Caspian I remember I bought MGE just so that I could play the original boot scenario!

I think i ended up buying mge for the same reason, although there might have been a few other scenarios i wanted to play as well.

	18-09-2001 03:36									#4
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i thought the powell quote was this: "Our strategy to go after this army is very, very simple. First we are going to cut it off. And then we are going to kill it." - Gen. Colin Powell, January, 1992

but i could be wrong or he might have said that too.

	18-09-2001 04:56									#5
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Yes I'm making a remake of Up The Deadly Boot... "Boot II" is its title.

It features a map made by Harlan Thompson especially for it. I must say, the map is excellant, and it makes for a MUCH larger battle than Boot I's map (which was too small to capture the struggle).

Despite the fact that I've been working on it for several months, I've held back on saying much about it because in the past I've said that I was going to do things, and then not ended up finishing them! Boot II is so far along though, that it seem somewhat safe to talk.

One question: What unit would you most like to see in this scenario? I have one space left...

Thanks for the interest

	18-09-2001 07:29									#6
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Henschel Hs 293 guided anti-ship missile; or,
Anzio Annie - 28cm railway gun; or,
Nebelwerfer - multiple rocket launcher.

	18-09-2001 18:40									#7
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Anzio Annie will be in the scenario... The anti-ship rocket will be too... sorta (I'm thinking about having the Ju88 that carried it, but having it only allowed to attack ships instead).


JP

	18-09-2001 18:57									#8
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Hmm, what unit to add to your scenario? There are so many to choose from that I can't think straight right now.

How about the elefant (aka Ferdinand assault gun). I know that after their disasterous show in the Kursk Offensive they were, after extensive overhaul, used mainly in Italy. They proved considerable when used in a defensive role.

Another idea is the Goliath. These were wire/radio controlled mini-tanks packed full of explosives. They were driven up to enemy vehicles or positions and detonated. However, these weapons were never really succesful. The allies captured mountains of the things in Italy. I guess the German high command was n't impressed either.

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	19-09-2001 00:06									#9
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JP, yeah gotta go with a Canadian unit!

	19-09-2001 07:41									#10
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I didn't know that the canadians were in the Italian Campaign. How about Italian Partisons. Or were there any?

	19-09-2001 12:11									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Jimmywax I didn't know that the canadians were in the Italian Campaign. How about Italian Partisons. Or were there any?

There were both. From memory, Canada fielded a corps(?) in Italy, and Italian partisans operated against the Germans and ended up in control of much of northern Italy by 1945.

	20-09-2001 01:37									#12
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there were hella Canadians in the Italian campaign! Espically in the invasion of Sicily.

	20-09-2001 03:03									#13
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H Tower: You're probably right on with what Gen. Powell said

Yep the Canadian I Corps under Burns was there and so was the French Expeditionary Corps under Juin.

	20-09-2001 03:51									#14
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...not to mention the Free Poles, New Zealanders*, Indians, Italians fighting on both sides, etc. The Italian campaign was a truely 'Allied' one.

* I read yesterday that the NZ 2nd Division took 200% casualties in the course of WW2, the highest percentage of any allied division.

	20-09-2001 05:46									#15
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I knew that the poles and the indians did, I just didn't about the others. You never hear anything about them.

	20-09-2001 06:24									#16
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Make a Benito Mussolini Unit
Were there any airborne units used in Italian Campaign like the 101st or 82nd?

	20-09-2001 06:26									#17
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Oh and also, i find your Up the Deadly Boot scenario very good
I've played it a couple of times and well i get to Monte Cassino and then will be able to break through but can't advance any farther past rome

	20-09-2001 07:36									#18
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quote: Originally posted by SunTzu Were there any airborne units used in Italian Campaign like the 101st or 82nd?

82 made combat jumps in Sciliy and at Salerno.
The British First also made a jump in Sciliy.

	20-09-2001 07:47									#19
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And at Taranto.

	21-09-2001 01:01									#20
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Didn't the British paratoopers arive at Taranto by sea? I think they marched in unoposed after the Italian surrender.

	21-09-2001 07:05									#21
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You're correct, my mistake. The 1st Airborne landed by sea at Taranto on Sept. 9, 1943, covered by the battleships Howe and King George V.

	21-09-2001 16:10									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Jimmywax I didn't know that the canadians were in the Italian Campaign.

I take it you never saw the movie "the english patient"?

LOTM

	21-09-2001 16:31									#23
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark I take it you never saw the movie "the english patient"? LOTM

No I didn't, I heard that it was a three hour long chick flick so I stayed away from it. Should I watch it? Or am I right?

	21-09-2001 16:43									#24
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Just another couple of questions JPetroski. Do you plan to supply sounds with Boot II? Also, will there be unit cohesion? That is, will the units in this game follow an artistic similiarity a la Nemo's scenarios? (gee I sat for ages trying to express that last question, and it still doesn't look right! ).

These were two of the things that detracted slightly from the original boot scenario. Having no sounds and the units looking like they'd been put together from a number of sources. (Ok, ok. I know your not getting paid for your hard work, and that you do it for the benefit of the CIV community. I shouldn't grumble )

	25-09-2001 18:01									#25
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It´s true that John is not going to finish the scenario??

	26-09-2001 00:17									#26
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quote: Originally posted by JPetroski Yes I'm making a remake of Up The Deadly Boot... "Boot II" is its title.

He's going to finish it.