17-04-2001 20:32									#1
	OCC "fortnight" #25 - size 4 challenge Put an end to popups!

Samson's recent posts about doing OCC with smaller cities inspired me to a new fortnight game. It is a slightly edited random map. The city site has two whales and two wine, with a plains square as the centre. This means that you have exactly the right amount of food for 4 citizens when you work the 4 specials. For this game, you are not allowed to grow your city larger than size 4.

There was a hut next to the starting position which I already popped to take away at least some of the luck. It gave a horseman. You can download the zip file with the save here. Good luck.

	18-04-2001 04:10									#2
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Which version of the game should I play with?

Carolus

	18-04-2001 12:13									#3
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I created it with 2.42, so you should be able to play it with any version of Civ2, except ToT.

	18-04-2001 13:49									#4
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I'd like to play this comparison game, it sounds like fun! But as you may know, I've had some trouble in the past composing a decent log of the games I play.

Could someone please point me to an example of how a log should be laid out in order for others to benefit the most from it? Thanks.

	19-04-2001 13:34									#5
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Gave it a go last night. Conceded in 1885 after being sneak attacked by the Egyptians and lost two citizens. Forgot the log at home, will post it later.

Made a couple of obvious mistakes. One was quite funny; I irrigated a forrest and roaded it before realising I would never use it!

Went straight for republic, but I got it fairly late. Also, I couldn't get on-line to check Oedo years so I spent almost max number of turns in anarchy.

My settler was killed so after barbs destroyed one of the mines I couldn't fix it.

Speaking of barbs, there were lots of them. Must be a barb hot spot. But I had big problems getting the leaders. At one point there were four or five running across the location...

Very hard time getting money from allies, had constantly 4-44 gold in treasury (except when I got 650 gold for declaring war against another civ). Trading didn't give much, all other civs I met were on same continent and with only a size 4 city...

Log will come.

Good luck to the rest of you!

Carolus

	19-04-2001 13:36									#6
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BTW, played with MP version.

Carolus

	19-04-2001 18:44									#7
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Bad Luck Carolus, I used 2.42 and had a much easier time of it. Wasted a lot of time getting to Monarchy. Skipped Republic and celebrated in Monarchy instead before going to Democracy. No barbs since my city was surrounded by the Carthaginians (who I was allied with the entire game).
Didn't need any luxuries in Democracy so I probably should have sold the stock exchange and bank (running 0-10% tax anyway). Got just under 10000g in tribute . Found I had entirely different priorities - sanitation, refrigeration, medicine - why bother, picked up some nasty techs in huts though. Best I got was a tech every 4 turns. Needed to build a manufacturing plant to get over 30 shields (structural every turn using 1 freight). Eventually landed in 1934, 2 years before Egyptians and 7 years before the Carthaginians. Should have been much sooner if i hadn't of got sidetracked on the way to Monarchy. I'll post the log later.

EOL

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	19-04-2001 20:53									#8
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This was a tougher start than my first size4 game - less trade and no starting techs.
I briefly got 3 turns per tech, then a long run at 4 turns, falling to 5 in the late game.
Like Carolus I had barbs all over me in the mid game.
I build a diplomat, bribed the crusaders, and hunted down the leaders with them.

Good alliances, lots of gifts, except for the Vikings who bailed on me.
Kept looking for the 7th civ, didn't realize until Apollo that there wasn't one.
Or did I miss a message about somebody being destroyed early on?

Compared to my first size4 effort, this game had better production and less trade/science.
The bottleneck here was research whereas in the other game it was cash/caravans.
Last game I had to delay Space Flight waiting for my caravan/gold supply to catch up.
This time I barely got Fusion Power in time to launch yet I had cash left over.


Space Flight 1834
Apollo 1836
Launched in 1867
AC in 1882

Will post log later.

samson


[This message has been edited by samson (edited April 19, 2001).]

	20-04-2001 17:37									#9
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Here's my log.

4000 Rome founded
3800 Alphabet
3750 Carthagians - give Alphabet, alliance.
3700 Warrior
3400 Writing. Warrior
3300 Hut-50g. Writing to C
3100 Vikings - trade Writing for Bronze Working, peace. Hut-25g. give BW to C
3050 size2
2900 Library
2800 Code of Laws. Warrior. Hut-Ceremonial Burial. Give COL&CB to Vikes, no alliance. Gift C-50g.
2650 Hut-chariot. CB to C.
2600 COL to C. Hut-chariot.
2500 Hut-50gold. Egyptians, peace, give all techs (they have Masonry), no alliance. Hut-Monarchy.

I'm so focused on early Republic, that I think of Monarchy as a late game tech needed for Feudalism,
one that I rarely research myself. So my reaction to this find at first was disappointment.
It took me awhile to realize I was coming up on a oedo year and that I should be joyful.

2450 MONARCHY. Give monarchy to E,V. Gifts: C-50g
2400 Japanese - peace, give all techs (they have Currency), no alliance.
2300 Temple.
2250 Size 3, add settler, size 4 -trade16, science16
2200 Literacy. Trade Japanese for currency. Give techs to all.
2100 Hut-settler.
1950 Hut-archer.
1850 Republic. Revolution. REPUBLIC. Republic to V,E,J - no alliances. Gift: C-25.
taxrate 0.2.8 21trade, 25science, 6turns.
1800 Republic to C, beaker count drops. [E-6,ME-5,C-4,J-3,V-2]
1650 Hut-Trade. Trade to Egyptians for Masonry. Give all techs to all.
1550 Americans - give all techs, alliance.
1450 Mysticism, Give to C for HorseRiding. Give all to J - alliance. Give all techs to all.Gifts: C-50,J-50.
1400 Disband warrior.
1350 Colossus
1250 Hides caravan
1150 Hides caravan
1100 Mathematics, give to all. Hut-barbarians. Gift: A-50.
1050 Hides caravan
1000 Hides to Utica, 84 gold.
950 Gifts: A-50, J-25.
900 Astronomy. Trade Astronomy to A for WC. Astronomy and WC to Egyptians for MapMaking, sharemaps, alliance.
MapMaking to C & J. All techs to Vikes, alliance, sharemaps. Gifts: V-150, E-100.
875 Food caravan. Hut-50 gold, techs to all.
825 Food. Hides to Carthage, 72 gold. Gift: C-50. Sharemaps with all.
800 Wine. Gifts: A-50,C-25.
750 Philosophy, Banking. Dye to Utica, 84 gold. Philosophy to all.
725 Food. Copper to Carthage, 72gold. Banking to all.
700 Copernicus. Gifts: V-25, E-100
675 Gifts: V-25, E-75
650 Gifts: V-25, E-50
625 University, give to all.
600 University built. Barbarian leader-150. Gifts: J-50,E-25
550 Wine. Gifts: J-50,V-25
525 Theory of Gravity.
500 Food. Gifts: E-25,J-25,A-50
450 Food. Wine to Utica, 110gold.
425 Construction, give to all.
400 Dye. Gifts:J-100,C-75
375 Gifts: J-50,C-50
350 Coal.
300 Wheel, give to all. Food caravan.
275 Gifts: J-100
250 Food.
225 Gifts: E-50
200 Food. Gifts: E-25,A-50
175 Engineering, to all.
150 Food. Dye to Carthage, 172gold.
100 Gifts: J-50,E-25
75 Invention, Iron Working from C. Give to all. Gifts:C-100
50 Isaac Newton's. Gifts:E-50,C-100
25 Wine,
1 AD Gifts: V-100,A-50
20 Democracy, give to all. Gifts: C-75
40 Coal. Gifts: C-75.
60 DEMOCRACY. Gifts: C-75
80 Food. Gifts: C-100
100 Bridge Building, give to all. Gifts: V-50
120 Food.
160 Economics, give to all. Food Caravan. Gifts: V-50
180 Gifts: J-50,E-25,A-50
200 Diplomat. Gifts: J-25, E-25
220 Pottery, give to all
240 Food. Gifts: J-50,E-25,C-25
260 Gifts: j-25,E-25
280 Seafaring, give to all. Food caravan. Coal to Carthage, 43gold.
300 Gifts: J-100,E-25,A-50,C-50
320 Copper. Gifts: E-50,C-50
340 Navigation, give to all.
360 Food. Barbarian leader-150.
380 Gifts: J-50,C-50.
400 Physics, give to all. Food.
420 Gifts: J-50
440 Food. Copper to Carthage, 43gold.
480 Steam Engine, give to all. Food.
500 Gifts: j-50
520 Food. Gifts: J-50,E-25,A-25
540 Share Maps with all. hut-50gold
560 Railroad, give to all. Food caravan.
580 Gifts: A-25,C-50
620 Food.
640 Industrialization, give to all. Gifts: V-50
660 Food. Gifts E-50,A-25,C-25
680 Gifts: J-50,C-25
700 Food. Vikings dissolve alliance.
720 Medicine, trade to C for Gunpowder, give to all.
740 Food. Give Medicine to all.
760 Gifts: J-100,A-50,C-50
780 Food. J-75.
800 Corporation, trade to E for Metallurgy, give to all.
820 Food. Give Corporation to all.
840 Gifts: J-100, E-50
860 Food.
880 Magnetism, give to all
900 Food. Gifts: J-50,E-50,A-50
920 Gifts:J-50,E-25
940 Food.
960 Electricity, give to all. Oil to Carthage, 43gold.
980 Food. Gifts: J-50,A-50,E-25
1000 Gifts: E-50,A-50,C-25
1020 Food.
1040 Electronics, to all. Coal to Carthage, 72 gold.
1060 Oil. Gifts: C-25
1080 Gifts: J-100
1100 Food.
1120 Steel, to all. 82gold to bribe barbarian crusaders.
1140 Food. Gifts: A-50
1160 Oil To Carthage, 42 gold.
1180 Barbarian leader-150.
1220 Chemistry, to all. Food.
1240 Food. Gifts: E-75.
1260 Food. Gifts: E-50,A-50,C-25
1300 Food. Gifts: J-100,E-25,C-25,A-Communism
1320 Refining, to all.
1340 Food.
1360 Gifts: J-75,E-100,C-25
1380 Food. Gifts: J-75, C-25
1400 Gifts: J-50,E-50,C-25
1420 Explosives, to all. Food.
1440 Gifts: J-50,E-50
1460 Food.
1480 Feudalism from Japanese, give to all.
1500 Food. Gifts: E-50,A-50
1510 Combustion.
1520 Food. Gifts: F-50
1540 Gifts: E-50,C-25
1560 Automobile, give to all. 2 Barbarian leaders-300.
1570 Superhighways. Gifts: J-50,E-50,A-50,C-25
1590 Factory. Gifts: E-50,C-25
1600 Chivalry, trade to C for Polytheism, give to all.
1610 Hydro Plant. Give Poly to all. Gifts: J-50,A-50,C-50
1620 Gifts: E-50
1630 Food. Gifts: J-50,E-50
1640 Leadership, to all.
1650 Food. Gifts: J-50, E-Sanitation
1660 Sanitation to all.
1670 Food. Gifts: J-50,A-50,E-50
1680 Mass Production, to all.
1690 Food. Gifts: J-50,E-50
1700 Food. J-50,C-25
1720 Conscription, to all. Food.
1730 Gifts: J-100,E-50,A-50,C-25
1740 Food. Trade Combustion to Vikings for Tactics. Tactics to all.
1750 Gifts: J-100,E-50,A-50,C-25
1752 Atomic Theory, to all. Food.
1754 Gifts: J-100,E-250,A-50,C-25
1756 Food. Gifts: J-50,E-100
1760 Machine tools, to all. Food. Coal to Carthage, 75 gold.
1762 Gifts: J-100,E-50
1764 Food.
1766 Gifts: J-100,E-50,A-50
1768 Mobile Warfare.
1770 Darwin's Voyage. Miniaturization. Computers, to all.
1772 Miniturization to all.
1774 Food. Combustion to all.
1776 Robotics. Gifts: J-100,E-200,A-50,C-50
1778 Barbarian leader-150. J-100, C-25 Food.
1780 Mobile Warfare to all.
1782 Gifts: J-100,E-50,A-50,C-25
1784 Flight.
1786 Food. Give Robtics to all
1790 Food. Gifts: J-100,E-50,A-50
1792 Nuclear Fission. J-100
1794 Food.
1798 Food. J-100,E-50,A-50
1800 Radio, to all. Oil to Carthage, 43gold.
1802 Coal. J-100
1806 Food. J-100,C-25
1808 Advanced Flight. J-100,A-50,C-25 Coal to Carthage, 110.
1810 Oil. J-50,C-25
1814 Food. J-50,E-50,A-50,C-25
1816 Rocketry, give to all. Oil to Carthage, 44.
1818 Gifts: J-50,E-50,A-50,C-25 Coal.
1822 Food. Coal to Carthage, 44.
1824 Nuclear Power. Nuclear Fission to all.
1826 Food. E-75
1828 Barb leader-150
1830 Food.
1834 Space Flight. Manufacturing plant.

At this point I have 4401 Gold, 49 caravan/freights.
57 Trade, 456 Science, 32 shields per turn.

1836 Apollo.
1838 Structural 1
1840 S2. Advanced Flight to C, C-100.
1842 S3
1844 Plastics. S4
1846 S5
1848 S6. Carthaginians develop Space Flight.
1850 S7
1851 S8
1852 Espionage. S9
1853 S10
1854 S11
1855 S12
1856 S13
1857 Laser. S14
1858 S15
1859 Component 1. Egyptian Capital falls, civil war, Sioux nation born.
1860 C2
1861 C3
1862 C4. SuperConductor. SF and SC to Egyptians for Amphib Warfare (Fusion Power wasn't available)
1863 C5
1864 C6.
1865 Module 1
1866 M2
1867 Fusion Power. M3. Launch 15-3-3-1-1-1 Spaceship. All caravans gone. 1144 gold left.
1868 Armor built.
1869 City Walls. Sell Research Lab
1870 Fighter built.
1871 Spy.
1872 SAM
1873 Nuclear Power to C, Gift 300 gold.
1875 Howitzer
1882 Arrive AC.
Score 232, 30%, Caesar the Mad.


samson.

	22-04-2001 12:05									#10
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This was easier than I thought.Gifts went thru the roof.I had more than enough gold and 40+ freights/caravans that the SS was built long before I had the techs.I was swamped with barbs but they didn't cause too much trouble.A wandering nomad was able to fort and RR my wine hills so pillaging was not a problem.I was also able to "mine off" some possible ai city sites so I had no problem with ai intuders until the usual late game diplomats and sneak attack.All of which I was able to repel.
Trade bonus' was dismal until superhighways.But there was nothing else to do all game cept build caravans and freights.
I had one research hiccup that I was able to solve by gifting what was left and Combustion.I was leary about it but research went 4>8>4 so it had to be done.I spent some time at 3 turns,5 and 6 but mostly 4.
The ai couldn't have researched more than 10 techs combined.I think I over did it with early tech gifting forcing them into extremely long research times.As a result I had to research many techs that normally come from the ai civs such as map making,bridge building,iron working,pottery,seafaring..a few more also.

I noticed there were only 6 civs fairly early as family size showed 6th with no excess food being generated.Later population rank confirmed it.It may have been good for me as I undertook a polar expedition hoping to find a purple settler on the pole and found America instead.


2.42 deity

Arrival-1879ad

Collosus-2250bc
Cope’s-575bc
Sir Isaac-325bc
Darwin’s-660ad
Apollo-1828ad


Trade-1950bc
Construction?-1550bc
Automobile-1640ad
Computers-1788ad
Space Flight-1826ad

Monarchy-2250bc
Republic-925bc
Democracy-25bc

1-1250bc
2-1050bc
3-975bc

size 4-2350


4000-Rome
3900-hut-horseman(supported)
3800-hut-horseman(supported)
3800-warrior
3750-Bronze Working
3650-hut-archer(non)
3500-contact Carths-alliance
hut-Currency
hut-barb horse-terminated
3450-size 2
3350-hut-50 gold
3200-contact Egypt peace
3150-Burial
2900-hut barb horse-terminated
2800-contact Vikings-peace-trade for Alphabet
2700-hut-horseman-non
2650-size 3
2600-hut-Code of Laws
2550-trade Egypt for Masonry
2400-contact Japan-peace
2350-Monarchy-settler joins city-size 4
2300-revolt
2250-govt-Monarchy-Collosus
2200-”We Love the King”
hut-nomad
Carths gift Horseback Riding
2050-hut barb archer
1950-Trade-horseman KIA
trade Japan for Warrior Code
1900-market
1800-hut-Mysticism
1750-copper caravan
1550-wine caravan
Carths-50
Trade Egypt for Construction
1500-tribute-Egypt 50
Vikings 50
Japan 50
1450-dye caravan
hut-chariot(non)
1400-library-can’t find the other 2 civs.6th in family size-should be 7th unless 1 got stuck on the pole
1250-copper to Carthage 62
1200-temple
1150-tribute-Egypt 100
Japan 50
1100-Literacy
1050-wine to Carthage 62
1050-hut-The Wheel
975-dye to Carthage 62
Carths 25
925-The Republic-instant revolution-coal caravan
Carths 25
825-contact Americans-gift all=alliance-receive 100
hut-Engineering
800-barb leader 150
Carths 25
750-Mathematics
650-coal to Carthage 66
625-copper caravan
600-Astronomy
Americans 50
575-Cope’s
525-barb leader 150
450-Philosophy>University
Carths 50
Americans 100
alliance with Vikings receive 50
425-build university
Carths 25
400-Americans 150
375-copper to Carthage 74
350-Gravity
325-Americans 50
Carths 50
300-Sir Isaac’s
alliance with Egypt-receive 100
250-Banking-coal caravan
225-alliance with Japan-receive 25
200-Carths 50
Americans 50
Vikings 50
150-Invention
100-hut 50 gold
25-Democracy-instant revolution-coal to Carthage 37
hut-50 gold
____________________
AD1-Japan 25
Vikings 50
Egypt 50
Americans 50
40-Iron Working
100-Map Making-gift and share maps with all 5
160-Bridge Building
180-Carths 100
Americans 100
Egypt 150
Vikings 50
Japan 100
200-trade Americans for Economics
240-Pottery
280-diplomat
320-Seafaring
Vikings 50
Egypt 50
Americans 100
Carths 200
400-Navigation
Carths 100
Americans 50
Egypt 50
Japan 75
420-Vikings 50
Japan 50
480-Physics
Japan 50
Egypt 50
500-share maps with all
560-Steam Engine-copper caravan
bribe barb legion 82(supported)
Americans 50
Japan 100
Vikings 50
600-barb leader 150
620-Carths 100
640-Railroad
Americans 50
Japan 50
660-Darwin’s>Industrialization>Magnetism
disband legion
680-transport
720-The Corporation
740-Japan 100
Vikings 50
Egypt 50
Americans 50
Carths 125
760-Egypt 50
Carths 150
800-trade Carths for Gunpowder-receive 150
820-Japan 100
Vikings 50
840-Metallurgy
860-copper to New York 46
Carths 50
Vikings 50
Japan 50
880-oil freight
Egypt 50
920-Atomic Theory
940-Carths 50
Vikings 50
Japan 100
980-Japan 50
Egypt 100
Americans 25
Carths 50
1000-Electricity
1040-bribe barb knight 82
Egypt 50
Americans 50
1060-barb leader 150
1080-factory
Americans 50
1100-Electronics-oil to Boston 69
Vikings 50
Egypt 50
Americans 25
1120-hydro plant
1180-Steel
Japan 75
Egypt 50
Americans 100
Carths 75
1200-oil freight
Carths 50
Vikings 50
Japan 50
1240-Japan 50
Egypt 50
Americans 50
Carths 50
1280-Medicine
Carths 50
Egypt 50
Japan 25
1320-Japan 150
Vikings 50
Egypt 50
Americans 50
Carths 100
1340-hut 100 gold
pay Vikings 150 to maintain alliance-receive 50 back
1380-Chemistry-trade Egypt fro Conscription
1400-share maps with all
1420-oil to Boston 78
Carths 150
Americans 100
Vikings 50
1460-bribe Egyptian cannon 98
Vikings 50
Americans 50
Carths 50
1480-Explosives
1510-oil freight
Carths 50
Americans 50
Egypt 75
Vikings 50
1530-bribe barb crusader 82(supported)
barb leader 150-
disband crusader
Carths 100
Americans Sanitation
Egypt 75
Japan 75
1540-Refining
1550-Japan 25
Vikings 50
Egypt 50
Americans 50
Carths 50
1560-oil to Carthage 39
1570-coal freight
Japan 50
1590-Combustion-silk feight
Japan 50
Vikings 50
Egypt 150
Americans 50
1610-silk to Utica(demanded)176
Americans 50
Japan 100
1620-Egypt 50
Americans 50
1630-oil freight
1640-Automobile
Carths 75
Americans 50
Japan 50
1650-superhighways-coal to New York(demanded)310
1670-Mass Production-coal freight
Americans 50
Egypt 100
Vikings 50
Japan 50
1700-Carths 50
Americans 150
Egypt 50
Japan 100
1710-Feudalism
1730-Carths 50
Americans 100
Egypt 200
Vikings 50
Japan
treasury-5187
1750-Chivalry
Japan 50
1752-oil to New York(demanded)486
1754-Leadership-coal to new York(demanded)347
Carths 50
Americans 100
Egypt 50
1758-Carths 50
Americans 50
Egypt 50
1760-Tactics
Japan 150
Vikings 50
1762-Carths 50
Americans 50
Egypt 50
1764-Carths 200
Americans 50
research takes a big hit 4turns>8-forces me to gift all including Combustion 8>4
1766-Carths 50
Americans 50
1768-Machine Tools
barb leader 150
Carths 50
Americans 50
1770-Egypt 50-1774-Carths 200
Americans 50
Egypt 50
1776-Carths 200
1778-Miniaturization
bribe barb dragoon 102(supported)
1780-Carths 250
Americans 50
Egypt 50
1784-barbs land and kill archer
Carths 150
Americans 50
1788-Computers
Japan 150
1790-research lab 528 beakers
1794-Carths 150
Americans 150
1796-Flight-research 6 turns
1798-Americans gift Poly-gift to all-research>4 turns
1800-Egypt 100
1804-Radio
1810-Americans 100
Egypt 50
treasury 8065
1812-Advanced Flight
1820-Rocketry
1826-Space Flight
Americans 100
1828-Apollo
1834-Plastics
1842-Nuclear Fission
1844-Japan cancels alliance
1850-Nuclear Power
1854-The Laser-15 structurals ready
1859-Superconductor
1860-6 components
1863-3 modules ready
1864-Fusion Power-LAUNCH
barracks
65-SAM-trade Japan for mobile Warfare.oops barracks sold
66-barracks
67-coastal fort
68-armor
69-airport
70-fighter
71-Robotics
Japan sneak attacks
fighter
72-howitzer
73-alpine troop
74-alpine troop
75-alpine troop
77-alpine troop
1879-ARRIVAL AC

	23-04-2001 01:24									#11
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Nice game, Smash.

I gave up on trade early because of the low payoffs.
You made it work, cashed in at the end and beat me.
I read and learn.

samson

	23-04-2001 01:54									#12
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About all I see is I nixed Mobile Warfare and Robotics.Thats at least 8 turns.Probably 10
I didn't see any need for a manufacturing plant with over 8000 gold and some 40 odd caravans/freights.I was capable of 25 sheilds.I could buy a barracks,switch to wonder leaving 20 sheilds,run 1 freight and be within city production for structurals.Components and modules were a snap.I finish The Wall or other 300 sheid wonder and let the city finish the Modules.I had lots of gold left over.
If I could do one thing different it would be to slow down a little on tech gifting early so the AI would still be capable of researhing a few techs for me.I can imagine their early science rates must have been awful after all the early gifting.Probably something like 50+ turns.IIRC I got Gunpowder,Conscription and Economics from the ai later but would rather have had Iron,Feud,Map etc early from them.

Again I was surprised how easy it was to do.AIs did nothing but help with gold.Man they get alot of it in a game.During several spurts,I was getting gifts EVERY turn...and just when I was sure they were going to cancel,they fork over 100 or 150 or even 200!Without the tribute and gifts it would have been much tougher.I just don't see how a MGE player is going to get enough gold..but...

	23-04-2001 02:33									#13
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You had about twice as much gold as I did to build the SS and a couple thousand
was from late caravans it looks like. I couldn't afford not to have a Manf. Plant
and that cost me two advances. I was ahead of you at Computers and Flight but delayed SF to build
more caravans. I should have done more long-distance trade and played less conservatively.
Still, I ended up only 3 turns behind. I need to be more aggressive in my endgame.

samson

	28-04-2001 03:26									#14
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Kept looking for that 7th civ, and early on, the key civ always seemed to be the next one I hadn’t found yet, but when I located them all, I gave them embassies early, which led to a lot of free tech through trades, and also let me monitor gold for gift timing. I think those 5 early diplomats were well worth delaying the Colossus.

Midgame, the Vikings kept demanding gold, so I would fork it over, along with some techs. Then I would ask for a gift and get most if not all of my gold back! Carthaginians, not to be outdone, joined the fun. Gotta love this kind of AI experience!

I sure think now that the key to samson’s system is all extra gold, because in former games, gold has always been the thing hardest to come by, delaying science wonders, etc. Here, I was able to just BUY half of Copernicus, a new experience for me in OCC!


Thanks again to samson for something new to try, and to Paul for putting together an excellent situation for this type of game. I suspect he might have anticipated Rome also being pathetic and becoming the key, and thus the reason for only 6 civs. If not, take credit anyways, Paul, because this made for a more interesting game!


Ribannah will no doubt try it with MGE and beat us all in gifts received!

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OCC #25, size 4 city limit

2.42 deity

Arrival - 1863 AD

Monarchy - 2250 BC
Republic - 1850 BC
Democracy - 220 AD

Construction - 700 BC
Trade - 450 BC
Sanitation - 1834 AD
Refrigeration - never discovered
Automobile - 1460 AD
Computers - 1774 AD
Space Flight - 1798 AD

Colossus - 1400 BC
Copernicus - 675 BC
Sir Isaac’s - 40 AD
Darwin’s - 880 AD
Apollo - 1800 AD

Route 1 - 1 AD
Route 2 - 60 AD
Route 3 - 140 AD

Size 4 - 2400 BC

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(Abbreviations: A: Americans, C: Carthaginians,
E: Egyptians, J: Japanese, V: Vikings)

BC years

4000 Rome
3800 Alphabet
3750 warrior
3650 hut: 25g
3600 warrior; hut: writing
3400 size 2
3350 diplomat
3250 Code of Laws
3200 Carthaginians: give tech, alliance
3150 Japanese: peace, give tech; hut: 50g
2800 library
2750 hut: horseman
2700 warrior; hut: barbarians
2650 Ceremonial Burial; size 3; barbarians kill warrior
2600 WLTDD starts; Egyptians: peace, no ally; hut: archer
2550 diplomat; E: embassy
2500 hut: barbarians
2400 Monarchy; settler joins Rome, size 4; hut: barbarians;
All AI: give Monarchy
2350 temple
2300 revolution
2250 government to Monarchy
2150 Literacy; diplomat; C: embassy, give tech
2050 hut: 50g
2000 diplomat
1950 Republic; C: trade for Bronze Working & Horseback Riding;
Japanese: trade for Pottery, 50g tribute;
E: trade for Masonry, give tech, 75g tribute
1900 revolution
1850 government to Republic
1800 hut: 50g
1750 C: give tech, 25g gift
1650 hut: chariot
1550 Map Making; C: trade for Currency, share maps
1500 E: give tech, share maps
1450 Americans: trade for Warrior Code, alliance, share maps, give tech, 150g gift
1400 Colossus; J: embassy, give tech, share maps
1250 diplomat; hut: 100g
1150 trireme
1100 Mysticism
1050 Vikings: peace, give tech, share maps
975 hut: Philosophy
950 A: embassy
925 Mathematics; hut: feudalism; J: give tech, alliance, share maps, 75g gift
825 A: give tech, 50g
750 barbarian leader, 150g; V: embassy
700 Astronomy; hut: Iron Working;
J: trade for Construction & Polytheism, 50g; C: 100g;
V: give tech, alliance, 25g; E: alliance, 100g
675 Copernicus’s Observatory
525 A: trade for Seafaring & Wheel, share maps, 100g;
C: give tech, 100g; J: give tech, 150g
500 V: give tech, no gift
450 University; E: trade for Trade, 25g
425 build university
375 dye
325 wine; C: 50g; V: 50g
275 coal
225 Engineering; food; J: give tech, share maps, 150g
175 food
150 V: give tech, 100g
125 food
75 food, E: 150g

AD years

1 Theory of Gravity, wine(d) to Heliopolis, 244g
20 food
40 Sir Isaac Newton’s College
60 Banking; E: give tech; J: give tech, 250g; dye(d) to Thebes, 264g
120 diplomat
140 Invention; coal to Malaca, 22g (yech!)
160 food
200 food
220 Democracy; revolution; government to Democracy
J: give tech, 200g; E: give tech, 50g; A: ditto;
V: give 150g demand, give tech, 50g gift in return!
240 copper
280 food
300 Navigation; give it to V & A; C: give tech, 50g
320 food
360 food
380 Physics
400 food
440 food
480 galleon
520 food
540 Steam Engine; C: trade for Bridge Building, 50g;
A: give tech, share maps, 200g
560 food; hut: 25g; V: 50g demand, give tech, 100g gift!
580 E: trade for Economics, share maps, 150g; J: give tech, 250g
600 Medicine; food; A: give tech, 50g; copper(d) to Memphis, 104g
640 food
680 diplomat; barbarian leader, 150g
700 Chemistry
720 food
760 food
780 Atomic Theory; copper(d) to Boston, 104g; J: give tech, 250g
800 food
840 food
860 Railroad; V: 150g demand, give tech, 150g gift!
E: trade for Gunpowder, 50g; A: give tech, 100g
880 Darwin's Voyage; Industrialization; Corporation
920 copper
960 Explosives
980 barbarian leader, 150g; E: give tech, 100g
1000 food
1040 food; V: trade for Metallurgy
1060 Refining
1080 food; bribe Viking galleon, 162g
1100 hut: crusader; J: trade for Chivalry, give tech, 250g;
C: 150g demand, give tech, 50g gift (just like the V!)
1120 food
1160 Electricity; food
1220 diplomat
1260 Steel; oil; J: give tech, 250g;
copper(d) to Thebes, 132g (trade was pitiful this game)
1280 A: give tech, 200g; E: 50g
1300 coal
1340 food; V: give tech, 50g (cured of the demand habit!)
1360 Combustion
1380 food; A: give tech, 150g
1420 food; J: 250g; coal(d) to Kagoshima, 192g
1460 Automobile
1480 superhighways; E: 100g
1510 food
1520 Mass Production; bribe barbarian crusader, 81g;
barbarian leader, 150g (69g profit, I believe!)
1530 E: 100g; oil(d) to Memphis, 324g;
C: trade for Leadership, demand 250g, tech, 200g gift
1540 bribe barbarian crusader, 82g
1550 Nuclear Fission; food; V: give tech, 50g
1560 C: 200g; Americans: trade for Communism, 150g
1570 food; J: give tech, 100g
1580 bribe barbarian frigate, 102g; E: give tech, no gift!
1590 Electronics; factory
1610 hydro plant
1620 barbarian leader, 150g; J: give tech, 250g
1630 Nuclear Power; food
1640 J: trade for Conscription, give tech, no gift; V: give tech, 50g; A: give tech, 100g; E: give tech, 75g
1650 food
1670 Laser; diplomat; J: give tech, no gift
1690 oil; E: give tech, no gift
1700 A: trade for Tactics; V: give tech, 100g; E: give tech, 100g
1710 food
1720 Flight; J: give tech; oil(d) to Kagoshima, 280g; A: 50g
1730 dye
1750 food
1754 Machine Tools; food; E: give tech, 100g; C: 200g
1758 food; dye(d) to Osaka, 174g
1760 E: trade for Miniaturization, 100g; C: give tech
1762 food
1764 Radio
1766 food; A: 25g; E: 100g; J: 75g
1768 E: 100g; J: 75g
1770 food; bribe barbarian frigate, 102g; leader, 150g;
J: 75g; E: 100g; V: 50g; A & C: give tech, no gifts
1772 bribe barbarian dragoon, 102g; J: 75g; E: 100g; A: 25g; C: 100g
1774 Computers
1776 research lab; J: 150g; E: 100g; A: 50g; c:100g
1780 offshore platform; J: 150g; E: 100g; A: 50g; C: 100g
1782 Advanced Flight; food; J: 150g; V: 50g; E: 100g; A: 50g; C: 100g
1784 food
1786 food; J: 150g; E: 50g; A: 50g; C: 100g
1788 J: 150g; E: 50g; A: 50g; C: 200g
1790 Rocketry; food; J: 150g; A: 50g; C: 200g
1792 J: 150g; E: 50g; A: 50g; C: 200g
1794 food; J: 150g; E: 50g; A: 50g; C: no gift
1796 food; J: 150g; V: 50g; A: 50g
1798 Space Flight
1800 Apollo Program; E: give tech, 100g; A: give tech, 50g
1802 S#1; C: give tech, 200g; bribe C artillery & cavalry;
J: give tech; 150g; A: give tech, 50g
(Now I have all the AI money, over 5000 gold)
1804 S#2
1806 S#3
1808 Plastics; S#4; A: trade for Guerilla Warfare, cancels alliance
1810 S#5
1812 S#6
1814 S#7
1816 S#8, bribe C cavalry
1818 Superconductor; S#9
1820 M#1
1822 M#2
1824 M#3
1826 S#10
1828 S#11
1830 S#12
1832 S#13
1834 Fusion Power; S#14; E: trade for Mobile Warfare, cancels alliance;
J: trade for Monotheism & Mobile Warfare, cancels; V: give tech, 100g
1836 S#15
1838 C#1
1840 C#2
1842 C#3; C: give tech, 100g
1844 C#4
1846 C#5; V: give tech, 100g
1848 C#6; Launch 15-3-3-1-1-1
1850 coastal fortress
1852 city walls
1853 armor
1855 SAM missile battery
1858 armor
1859 E: sneak attack, C to my aid with 75g
1862 E ships take out all armor, leaving a diplomat; alpine troops; C: 150g
1863 E bomber takes out alpine troops;
arrival Alpha Centauri with 1 diplomat the only witness
[This message has been edited by solo (edited May 16, 2001).]

	30-04-2001 14:07									#15
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Got killed by the Vikings. A Viking ship started killing my caravans, so I thought it would be a smart idea to move them inland and leave them nothing to kill. Unfortunately I didn't think about paratroopers.

4000 BC Rome
3800 BC Warrior
3750 BC Alphabet
3700 BC Carthaginians: trade Horseback Riding; peace
3650 BC Hut: Horsemen
3600 BC Warrior
Hut: Acrher
3150 BC Writing
Carthaginians: alliance
Hut: 50 gold
3050 BC Japanese: trade Bronze Working; peace
2850 BC Library
2750 BC Hut: Map Making
Carthaginians: share maps
Japanese: share maps
2600 BC Hut: Ceremonial Burial
Hut: 25 gold
2500 BC Hut: 50 gold
Hut: 50 gold
2350 BC Code of Laws
Hut: Warrior Code
Join second Settler
1950 BC Carthaginians: gift 100 gold
1850 BC Colossus
Literacy
1600 BC Temple
1450 BC Hut: Horsemen
1400 BC Diplomat
Republic
Japanese: trade Pottery; share maps
1300 BC Hut: barbarians
1250 BC Gov: Republic
1200 BC Diplomat
1150 BC Hut: Mysticism
1100 BC Americans: trade Masonry; share maps; peace
Carthaginians: gift 50 gold
925 BC Currency
900 BC Marketplace
875 BC Vikings: peace; share maps
825 BC Hut: Archer
750 BC Mathematics
525 BC Trade
500 BC Copper Caravan
475 BC Wine Caravan
Carthaginians: gift 100 gold
Japanese: alliance; gift 50 gold
Americans: alliance; gift 200 gold
Vikings: alliance; gift 150 gold
450 BC Coal Caravan
300 BC Astronomy
275 BC Copeer to Carthage (demanded): 140 gold
250 BC Copernicus' Observatory
225 BC Banking
Coal to Carthage (not demanded): 70 gold
125 BC Philosophy, University
Hut: Nomad
Japanese: gift 50 gold
Vikings: cancel alliance
Americans: gift 50 gold
Carthaginians: gift 75 gold
100 BC Vikings: alliance
75 BC University
50 BC Japanese: gift 50 gold
Americans: gift 100 gold
Carthaginians: gift 50 gold
25 BC Dye Caravan
1 AD Theory of Gravity
Japanese: gift 100 gold
Americans: trade Construction
Carthaginians: gift 50 gold
Wine to Malaca (demanded): 190 gold
60 AD Wheel
80 AD Vikings: gift 50 gold
Americans: gift 50 gold
140 AD Vikings: gift 25 gold
160 AD Engineering
200 AD Isaac Newton's College
Japanese: gift 25 gold
Vikings: gift 25 gold
Americans: gift 50 gold
Carthaginians: gift 50 gold
260 AD Beads Caravan
320 AD Democracy
Japanese: gift 100 gold
Vikings: gift 50 gold
Americans: gift 50 gold
Carthaginians: gift 50 gold
360 AD Japanese: gift 100 gold
Vikings: gift 50 gold
Americans: gift 50 gold
400 AD Medicine
Japanese: trade Iron Working; gift 50 gold
460 AD Vikings: gift 50 gold
Americans: gift 50 gold
480 AD Chemistry
Dye to Kyoto (demanded): 126 gold
520 AD Wine Caravan
540 AD Gov: Democracy
560 AD Bridge Building
Sell Marketplace
600 AD Japanese: gift 50 gold
Americans: gift 100 gold
Carthaginians: gift 25 gold
620 AD Gunpowder
660 AD Japanese: gift 50 gold
Americans: gift 100 gold
Carthaginians: gift 50 gold
700 AD Economics
720 AD Marco Polo's Embassy
Japanese: gift 50 gold
Americans: gift 50 gold
Carthaginians: gift 50 gold
780 AD Explosives
Beads to Trondheim (demanded): 92 gold
800 AD Japnese: gift 100 gold
Vikings: gift 50 gold
Americans: gift 50 gold
Carthaginians: gift 50 gold
840 AD Metallurgy
860 AD Vikings: gift 50 gold
Carthaginians: gift 100 gold
880 AD Japanese: trade Seafaring
900 AD Gold Caravan
Carthaginians: trade Polytheism
940 AD Navigation
Vikings: gift 50 gold
Americans: gift 50 gold
960 AD Wool Caravan
1020 AD Physics
Japanese: gift 75 gold
Americans: gift 50 gold
1060 AD Leonardo's Workshop
1080 AD Japanese: gift 50 gold
Vikings: gift 150 gold
Americans: gift 100 gold
Carthaginians: gift 25 gold
1100 AD Conscription
1120 AD Japanese: gift 50 gold
Carthaginians: gift 25 gold
1140 AD Japanese: gift 50 gold
Carthaginians: gift 25 gold
1160 AD Japanese: gift 100 gold
Carthaginians: gift 25 gold
1180 AD Magnetism
Americans: gift 50 gold
Japanese: gift 100 gold
Carthaginians: gift 25 gold
Wine to Trondheim (not demanded): 46 gold
1200 AD Japanese: gift 50 gold
Carthaginians: gift 50 gold
1260 AD Steam Engine
1340 AD Railroad
Vikings: gift 100 gold
Americans: gift 100 gold
1420 AD Japanese: gift 50 gold
Vikings: gift 200 gold
Americans: gift 100 gold
Carthaginians: gift 25 gold
1440 AD Electricity
1520 AD Industrialization
Japanese: gift 25 gold
Americans: gift 150 gold
Carthaginians: gift 50 gold
1560 AD Japanese: gift 100 gold
Vikings: gift 100 gold
Carthaginians: gift 50 gold
1570 AD Corporation
1560 AD Japanese: gift 100 gold
Vikings: gift 100 gold
Americans: gift 50 gold
Carthaginians: gift 150 gold
1620 AD Refining
1630 AD Darwin's Voyage: Steel, Combustion
Gold to Hladir (demanded): 164 gold
Wool to Washington (not demanded): 80 gold
1650 AD Dye Caravan
Vikings: gift 200 gold
Japanese: gift 150 gold
Carthaginians: gift 50 gold
1660 AD Automobile
1670 AD Superhighways
1700 AD Oil Freight
Mass Production
Americans: trade Atomic Theory
Vikings: gift 200 gold
Japanese: gift 150 gold
1720 AD Barb Leader: 150 gold
Japanese: gift 150 gold
Americans: gift 50 gold
1730 AD Japanese: gift 150 gold
Americans: gift 50 gold
1740 AD Electronics
1756 AD Monarchy
Vikings: gift 200 gold
Dye to Osaka (demanded): 224 gold
1762 AD Feudalism
Oil to Osaka (not demanded): 112 gold
1768 AD Gold Freight
Carthaginians: gift 100 gold
Americans: gift 50 gold
Vikings: gift 200 gold
Japanese: gift 75 gold
1772 AD Chivalry
1780 AD Factory
Leadership
Vikings: trade Sanitation
1784 AD Power Plant
1788 AD Tactics
Vikings: trade Flight
Gold to Uppsala (demanded): 156 gold
1790 AD Americans: trade Communism; gift 50 gold
Japanese: gift 150 gold
Carthaginians: gift 50 gold
1796 AD United Nations
1798 AD Machine Tools
1808 AD Miniaturization
Japanese: gift 150 gold
Vikings: gift 100 gold
Americans: gift 50 gold
Carthaginians: gift 100 gold
1820 AD Computer
Japanese: gift 150 gold
Vikings: gift 200 gold
Americans: gift 50 gold
Carthaginians: gift 100 gold
1822 AD Research Lab
1828 AD Computer
Japanese: gift 150 gold
Vikings: gift 200 gold
Americans: gift 50 gold
Carthaginians: gift 100 gold
1830 AD Radio
1832 AD Japanese: gift 150 gold
Vikings: gift 200 gold
Americans: gift 50 gold
Carthaginians: gift 100 gold
1840 AD Advanced Flight
Japanese: gift 150 gold
Americans: gift 50 gold
Carthaginians: gift 100 gold
Vikings: gift 200 gold
1848 AD Rocketry
Vikings: trade Mobile Warfare
Japanese: gift 150 gold
Americans: gift 50 gold
Carthaginians: gift 100 gold
1851 AD Vikings: gift 150 gold
1854 AD Space Flight
1855 AD Apollo Program
Vikings: gift 150 gold
Japanese: gift 200 gold
1857 AD Japanese: gift 200 gold
Vikings: cancel alliance
1858 AD Carthaginians: gift 100 gold
Japanese: gift 200 gold
1859 AD Carthaginians: trade Amphibious Warfare
1860 AD Japanese: trade Nuclear Fission; gift 200 gold
1862 AD Japanese: gift 200 gold
Americans: gift 50 gold
1864 AD Nuclear Power
1865 AD Japanese: gift 200 gold
1867 AD Vikings: sneak attack
1869 AD Laser
Japanese: trade Monotheism; gift 200 gold
1871 AD Viking paratrooper lands in Rome

	30-04-2001 20:58									#16
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Paul, reminds me of my first riv2.scn game, where barbarians just walked into undefended Rome! In this game, if the Egyptians had learned combined arms, or if they had sent a transport with ground units along with all those aegis cruisers, our landing dates would have been the same, never. Next time, I'm going to think it over more before giving away so many of the good military techs later in the game.

Smash, I also couldn't believe all the gold through gifts, though I did not manage as much as you. You are right about too much tech giving early, too. Embassies are great for telling when and how much to give. With only 25 shields (5 short of completing structurals), I tried two other things besides rushing barracks: 1) Earlier, when it became apparent that 30 shields were out of reach, I tried to bribe every barb I ran into, using them later to disband while building structurals, saving quite a bit over the cost of buying a barracks (160g). I also sacrificed spare diplomats and other cheap units when doing this. 2) For the few structurals where I had nothing to disband, I would start a wonder with a caravan, switch to structural, and just buy the remaining 30 shields for 120g, saving 40g over the rushed barracks way of doing it; however, with all the extra gold you managed, I guess you weren't looking that hard for ways to economize!

samson, just got to repeat my wow of admiration for discovering the efficacy of smaller-sized cities and especially for the discovery of how to determine the key civ. Just how did you think of this? What frame of mind do you have to be in to discover things like this?
[This message has been edited by solo (edited April 30, 2001).]

	14-05-2001 20:38									#17
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

OCC #25
Deity
MGE

The AI tribes were hopeless in this game, they simply would not expand, or even have cities grow beyond size 7. Nor did they research much, from Feudalism to Space Flight the Romans had to do it all . We were lucky to trade for Monarchy!
What saved us was the road, later railroad, we built to the small Viking empire, so in mid-game we could quickly deliver coal and gold - until the commodities dried up, that is.
I refrained from a quickstart from building settlers at size 1.

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AC: 1863

Monarchy: -
Republic: -2050
Democracy: 140

Hanging Gardens: -2000
Colossus: -1100
Copernicus: -525
Newton: 20
Leonardo: 820
Darwin: 1300
Apollo: 1800

Trade routes: -825, -825,-750

Size 4: -1950

Trade: -1700

Automobile: 1300
Computers: 1758
Space Flight: 1798
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-4000 Rome
-3800 Warriors, wine roaded, 50(h)
-3750 Alphabet
-3700 Chariot(h)
-3450 S2, 50(h)
-3400 Carthagians, Peace, 1 tech->C, Ally
-3350 Writing
-3300 Library, wine mined, N-Archers(h)
-3200 Bronze Working(h)
-3050 Japanese, Peace, 2 techs->J, no Ally
-3000 wine roaded, Barb Chariot
-2950 Code of Laws, Pottery(h)
-2800 N-Horsemen(h)
-2750 Vikings, Peace, 3 techs->V, no Ally
-2700 S3, 50(h), N-Horsemen(h), Egyptians, Peace, 4 techs->E, no Ally
-2500 wine mined
-2450 Literacy, We Love
-2200 N-Archers(h), Barbs(h) - none appears
-2050 The Republic, REPUBLIC, di Warriors
----- traded for Ceremonial Burial(E), 1 tech->E, 50(h)
-2000 HANGING GARDENS
-1950 S4, di Chariot, 3 techs->V
-1900 We Love ends , Americans, Peace, 6 techs->Am, no Ally
-1850 50(h)
-1750 Currency, 1 tech->V,E
-1700 N-Chariot(h), Trade(h)
-1550 Barb Chariot, traded for Horseback Riding(C), 7 techs->C, 100
-1400 Banking
-1200 4 techs->A, Ally
-1100 COLOSSUS, Barb Chariot, 3 techs->V, traded for Masonry(J), 5 techs->J
-1000 Hides, The Wheel, 3 techs->C, 300
-950 Wine
-900 Beads
-850 Marketplace
-825 Mysticism, Hides to Carthage (66), Wine to Carthage,
-800 Bank
-775 Barb Chariot, 4 techs->E
-750 Food, Philosophy -> Mathematics, Beads to Carthage (66)
----- traded for Map Making(A), 3 techs->A, maps, 75 , 4 techs->C, maps
----- 5 techs->J, maps, 8 techs->V, maps
-700 Food, N-Settlers complete road to Carthage (no effect), Barb Horsemen
-650 Food
-600 Food, Astronomy, 1 tech->A,C, 50,25
-575 1 tech->J, Ally
-550 Food
-525 COPERNICUS' OBSERVATORY
-475 Gold
-425 University, 1 tech->A,C, 50,50 , 2 techs->V, Ally, maps, 150
-400 University
-375 5 techs->E, maps, Ally(E)
-325 Coal, Construction, swapped for Warrior Code(J)
-300 1 tech->A,C,V
-250 Food, Coal to Carthage (82)
-225 Engineering
-200 Food
-150 Food, N-Settlers complete road to Uppsala, 1 tech->J, 150
----- 2 techs->C, 25
-100 Food, Invention, Gold to Trondheim (d,147), 1 tech->C, 25
-50 Food
-25 1 tech->J, 150
1 Food, Theory of Gravity
20 ISAAC NEWTON'S COLLEGE
40 4 techs->V, Maps, 1 tech->C, 1 tech->J, 100
60 Gold
80 Economics
120 Gold to Carthage (41)
140 Democracy, DEMOCRACY, 5 techs->A, Maps, 50
----- Traded for Iron Working (E), 5 techs->E, Maps, 3 techs->C
160 Stock Exchange
180 1 tech->V, 75 , 1 tech->A
200 Coal, Medicine, Settlers complete road to Kaupang
220 Swapped for Seafaring(C), 5 techs->J, Maps, 100 , 1 tech->A
----- 4 techs->V, Maps, 50
240 Food, 2 techs->E
260 Gunpowder
280 Food, 1 tech->C, 25
300 Coal to Carthage (43), 1 tech->A, 1 tech->J, 150
320 Gold, Chemistry
360 Food
380 1 tech->C, 2 techs->A, 1 tech->J, 100
400 Food, Explosives
420 1 tech->V, 150
440 Food
480 Food, Navigation, 1 tech->J, 100
520 Food, traded for Bridge Building (E), 3 techs->E, Maps
----- 3 techs->J, 4,3 techs->V,A, Maps, 1 tech->C, 25
540 Barb Elephant
560 Wool, Physics
600 Food
620 1 tech->J, 1 tech->C, 25
640 Steam Engine, 1 tech->C, 25
660 Harbor, 1 tech->C, 50
680 City square into forest, 1 tech->C, 100
700 Food
720 Railroad, 3 techs->E, Maps, 3 techs->A, Maps, 50
740 Temple
800 Industrialization
820 LEONARDO'S WORKSHOP
840 1 tech->J,C, 200,50
860 1 tech->J,C, 100,50
880 Factory, Magnetism, 5 techs->V, Maps, 1 tech->C, 50 , 2 techs->A
900 Barb Legion
920 Oil
940 1 tech->J, 100
960 Food, The Corporation, traded for Polytheism(E), 2 techs->E, Maps, 50
----- 2 techs->A,V, Gold to Carthage (d,128)
980 1 tech->J, 50 , Barb Legion
1000 Coal
1040 Food, Refining, traded for Metallurgy(J), 1 tech->J, 2 techs->A
----- 2 techs->V, 100 , Oil and Wool to Trondheim (2x52)
1060 Coal to Carthage (43)
1080 Gold
1100 1 tech->J
1120 Oil, Electricity
1140 1 tech->V, 200 , Gold to Uppsala (d,120)
1160 Food
1200 Gold, Combustion
1240 Gold to Uppsala (d,120), Barb Musketeers
1260 Oil to Kaupang (51)
1280 Steel
1300 DARWIN'S VOYAGE -> Automobile, Electronics, di N-Horsemen
1320 Superhighways, 1 tech->C, 5,7,4,5 techs->J,E,V,A, Maps, 150,100,100,50
1340 Egyptians: PYRAMIDS
1360 Hydroplant, Mass Production, 1 tech->V, 75
1400 Gold
1440 Coal, Conscription, Gold to Uppsala (d,224)
----- traded for Monarchy(C), 1 tech->C, 3,2,1 techs->J,V,E, 200,150,75
----- 3 techs->A, Maps, 50
1460 1 tech->C, 1 tech->E, 100 , Vikings end alliance
1480 Food, 1 tech->C,E, 25,100
1500 Atomic Theory, sold Harbor, 1 tech->C,E, 25,50
1510 Gold, 1 tech->C, 25 , Coal to Trondheim (d,255)
1520 1 tech->C, 25
1530 Oil, Feudalism, 2,2,1,1 techs->J,A,C,E, 150,50,25,50
1540 Gold to Hladir (d,182), Oil to Kaupang (96), 1 tech->C, 25
1550 Coal, 1 tech->C, 25
1560 Chivalry, 1 tech->C, 25 , Coal to Uppsala (d,197)
1570 Gold
1580 Gold to Hladir (d,182)
1590 Food, Leadership, traded for Sanitation(V), 2 techs->V, 75
----- 2 techs->J, 200 , 3 techs->A
1610 Food
1630 Food, Tactics, traded for Communism(E), 3 techs->E, Maps, 100
----- 1 tech->C
1640 1 tech->C
1650 Food
1660 2 techs->J,V,A, 200,150,50 , 2 techs->C
1670 Gold, Machine Tools, Gold to Carthage (d,224)
----- Japanese: SUN TZU'S WAR ACADEMY
1690 Coal
1700 1 tech->J,E, 200,100 , 1 tech->V,A, 4 techs->C, 25
1710 Food, Mobile Warfare, Coal to Trondheim (d,265), Barb Leader(150)
1730 Gold, 1 tech->C, 50 , Gold to Carthage (d,188)
1740 Miniaturization
1750 Offshore Platform -> 33 shields, Vikings: WOMEN'S SUFFRAGE
1752 Diplomat
1756 Food
1758 Computers
1760 Research Lab
1764 Food, 1 tech->J,C, 200,25 , 3 techs->E,A,V, Maps, 100,50,75
1766 Flight
1768 Harbor
1770 Vikings: MAGELLAN'S EXPEDITION
1772 3,1,1,1,2 techs->J,V,E,A,C 150,100,50,50,100
1774 Radio
1780 1 tech->J,V,E, 100,150,50 , 1 tech->A
1782 Advanced Flight, traded for Amphibious Warfare (C), 1 tech->C
1788 2 techs->J,E, 150,50 , 2 techs->A
1790 Rocketry
1796 2,1,1,1 techs->V,E,A,C, 150,50,50,75
1798 Space Flight
1800 APOLLO PROGRAM
1804 1 tech->V,A,C, 1 tech->E, 50
1806 Plastics, traded for Nuclear Fission (J), 1 tech->J
1810 Japanese end alliance
1812 2 techs->V,C, 2 techs->E,A, 100,50
1814 Nuclear Power
1824 The Laser
1830 S#15
1834 Superconductor
1842 C#6
1844 Fusion Power
1848 M#3, LAUNCH
1863 ALPHA CENTAURI

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