21-09-2001 21:57									#1
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This is a cool site i discovered yesterday, with a lot of interesting links:

http://www.veneziaviva.com/tuttilink/soldatini.htm

And, just in case you haven't noticed them yet...

http://kipar.org/kirkes_spanish_succession.html

http://www.regiments.org/milhist/wa...nt/02es-suc.htm

http://tetrad.stanford.edu/hm/HorseNMusket.html

http://baccus6.wargame.com/SSGNW.htm

http://baccus6.wargame.com/kuhncds.htm

	21-09-2001 22:02									#2
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It would be nice to find and English webpage where the naked truth about Gibraltar was told...

	21-09-2001 22:09									#3
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http://www.gibraltar.gi/history/brfhistory.html ?

Or maybe this one...
http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/world/A0858411.html ?

PS Speaking about Gibraltar... a few english sites about this one, too...

http://www.regiamarina.net/xa_mas/g...ibraltar_it.htm

	21-09-2001 22:19									#4
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Nice sites, but I said the naked truth, not the politically-correct truth.

Hint: why did the English seize Gibraltar and not Ceuta a few days after?

	21-09-2001 22:24									#5
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Royal Navy needed quickly a naval base in orderd to let English fleet to operate all of the year into Mediterranean sea during Spanish Succession War; a naval base with two requests... easy to take and easy to defend... and with a good strategic position. That's why they choose Gibraltar...

	21-09-2001 22:39									#6
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Yes but, why did they take the Rock so 'easily' and not Ceuta, which was less defensible?

	22-09-2001 00:43									#7
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They did like Algerian pirates, that waited until citizens were drunk as hell celebrating a religious festivity outside the walls?

Ps I'm not kidding... Algerians really did it in 1530 or so...

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	22-09-2001 19:16									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Jay Bee Yes but, why did they take the Rock so 'easily' and not Ceuta, which was less defensible?

As far as I remember the first objective was Cádiz, but it was heavily fortified, there was a plan to fortify Gibraltar but it was never carried out, that's why.

I don't really know, but I think Ceuta was fortified too.

	22-09-2001 19:26									#9
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Cappero!!! Cadice!!! I totally forgot about it....

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That's it

	22-09-2001 19:47									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Prometeus Cappero!!! Cadice!!! I totally forgot about it....

Ma come?! non puoi dimenticare Cadice

	22-09-2001 21:18									#12
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Waku, Waku... tira più un capello di donna che una mandria di buoi...

	22-09-2001 23:19									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Prometeus tira più un capello di donna che una mandria di buoi...

los españoles somos menos refinados:

"Tiran más dos tetas que dos carretas"

	23-09-2001 00:24									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Waku los españoles somos menos refinados: "Tiran más dos tetas que dos carretas"

Dipende... a seconda dei capelli di cui si parla...

	23-09-2001 00:32									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Prometeus Dipende... a seconda dei capelli di cui si parla...

LMAO

	23-09-2001 19:26									#16
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Prom:

Getting back on topic, any news on the attack on Gibraltar?

	23-09-2001 20:01									#17
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Hmmm... Let me see around...

http://www.navwar.freeserve.co.uk/dutchwars.htm#spanish ...
http://home.earthlink.net/~tvgidus/wreckovery13.html ...
http://www.spanamwar.com/LeonNr38.htm...

Found a book!!! "Storia del mondo moderno", Garzanti Editore. "Il predominio francese" volume. I'll try to scan it ASAP.

	24-09-2001 19:29									#18
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Il predominio francese... I know of someone who would be interested on that. She does not know yet...

PS. Anything from il predominio olandese?

	24-09-2001 20:08									#19
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Te estás volviendo todo un anti-holandés, Jay Bee... Qué hay de tu antigua admiración por Cruyff (Cruijff)?

	24-09-2001 20:28									#20
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Oh, no, not at all. Hasta hace unas semanas no conocia un solo holandes que no fuera un/una gran tipo/a. Un poco antes de escribir el post de arriba acababa de leer un PM que me envio alguien hablandome precisamente de...ella!!!

BTW, has escaneado algun mapa para el website de Harlan? El ISG no esta fallando en esta tarea

	24-09-2001 20:50									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Jay Bee PS. Anything from il predominio olandese?

Two books.
Chris Wilkinson, "Uniforms of world"...
"Storia del Mondo moderno - le guerre d'equilibrio europee"...

Websites.

http://www.theeastindiacompany.com/history.html
http://www.boondocksnet.com/editions/morel/morel03.html
http://www.usis.usemb.se/usis/history/chapter2.html
http://www.suriname.nu/sme.list/archi130.html

	25-09-2001 00:02									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Prometeus Two books. Chris Wilkinson, "Uniforms of world"...

I thought Chris was only writing courseworks...

	25-09-2001 05:37									#23
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Credo che di Cristofori sian pieni i mari... a good book, anyway, with an entir section reserved to dutch armies.

	25-09-2001 19:12									#24
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OK, Prom, but we wanna hear your opinion about il predominio mondiale di olandese, that is, when they ruled the world uncontested

	25-09-2001 20:32									#25
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I think Holland never ruled the world all alone in a military way... it was kinda of "condominum" with England, France, Portugal and Spain, "con pardon agli olandesi".

The only remarkable thing Holland really realized was the birth of a pre-modern economy; that's why they survived as a colonial power - as well as England - even if in the meanwhile Spain and France empres went "belly up". For sure VOC structure and administration was better then Spanish or French colonial empires - see Lally's example ( governor of the French India during the Seven Years War)... ahem, Cape colony apart, of course. I never understood why they were forced to depend from Batavia...

	25-09-2001 20:39									#26
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He, he, I think so too. I was kidding. Someone in the Civ3 made that claim and I personally found it so laughable

	25-09-2001 22:53									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Fiera I thought Chris was only writing courseworks...

...and I also used to be Britian's number 1 tennis player!

	25-09-2001 23:08									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Chris Wilkinson ...and I also used to be Britian's number 1 tennis player!

Do not forget Colonization II


Confess! Which planet come you from Chris?

	26-09-2001 19:23									#29
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quote: Confess! Which planet come you from Chris?

Like all men - Mars!

	26-09-2001 21:48									#30
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to Chris

A green avatar will fit better, then...

To Jay Bee

If Cadiz is a day that will live in infamy, for sure Malaga's day is bookmarked as Cavolata's Day in naval battles' history... why French-hispanic fllet renounced to destroy Alleys?