22-09-2001 03:20									#1
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Does anyone know whether the seas are open to all vessels or can they be owned? I'm wondering whether ships will be able to move into any sea zone regardless of where the borders cross.

From the screen shots, it seems to me that the borders do extend into the water.

Perhaps there will be both: international waters and some that are withing borders?

	22-09-2001 03:23									#2
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Seas are like land. You need a right of passage agreement to avoid possibly going to war. Makes it interesting if you control all the important straits in the game.

	22-09-2001 03:29									#3
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Interesting! I like the idea that some seaways can be owned because I always hated the fact that a potential enemy could sit right next to my land and I couldn't do anything about it unless I declared war.

This is a good fix.

What about subs? Do you know whether these will be invisible to any ships? Would be nice... for spying purposes of course.

	22-09-2001 03:30									#4
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quote: Originally posted by jsw363 Seas are like land. You need a right of passage agreement to avoid possibly going to war. Makes it interesting if you control all the important straits in the game.

Whoa! That is cool! Hadn't thought about that. Constantinople will be a great city indeed!

	22-09-2001 03:34									#5
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too my eyes it seems that it will only extend one tiles into the water, thats the way in real life, stay away from my shores damn it!

	22-09-2001 03:52									#7
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to my eyes it appears that it will extend further than that in some places.

	22-09-2001 03:54									#8
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in no screen shots have i seen what you have mentions except for one old one..

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That would be even better! It would allow for a 200 nautical mile buffer from potential enemies, while still adhearing to the international law that ocean remain free and open. I like that!

...it'll let me station my fleet just off of the coast of my enemy, while I bide my time, waiting for the perfect opportunity to strike.

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wait nevermind it does in a few

	22-09-2001 03:56									#11
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quote: Originally posted by ancient in no screen shots have i seen what you have mentions except for one old one..

In all the screenshots on the civ3 site the borders extend DEEP into the water, much further than one tile.

	22-09-2001 04:00									#12
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quote: Originally posted by ancient wait nevermind it does in a few

	22-09-2001 04:08									#13
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It looks like it's determined by the depth of the water--you can only own the shallows.

	22-09-2001 05:10									#14
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Great idea. It will be fun to own a city like Constantinople. Gives you a bit more flexibility than in Civ 2.

	22-09-2001 05:54									#15
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In CTP pbem we have a universal rule. 2 squares from your land continent is considered "International Waters". Of course people somtimes make ridiculous claims to the contrary.

I think this will be carried over to Civ3. It has to be 2 squares makes sense right? In real life its 14 miles off a coastline..Of course Nations do claim more, but those claims are not recognized (EG-Libya and the gulf of Cydra)

	22-09-2001 07:35									#16
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Hmmmm....control of waters....hmmm....







One of my first scenarios: It's 2003, and hostilities have flared between Iceland and the UK over fishing rights in the valuable North Sea...Violence erupts...

Who will you play?

	22-09-2001 11:03									#17
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Iceland, of course.

Oh, and by the way, thanks to Iceland fighting the UK in 1974-1976, it is 200nm, not 14. The only time two NATO countries have been at war.

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Neither....All the fish in the North Sea were pickled long ago by the oil slicks!...

...and nuclear waste.

...oh don't forget those sewer pipes that go several miles out to sea.



That's why I moved to New Zealand. Couldn't take those green and pleasant lands any more...well greenish...it's probably toxic waste.

	22-09-2001 11:06									#19
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just had a thought...you don't need to have those pollution icons...just pump it two squares out into international waters.

Share and enjoy!

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	22-09-2001 11:40									#21
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I really hope that the AI will respect these borders. In Civ 1, 2, Ctp 1, 2 i always had foreign units on my territory. Sometimes they would really retreat after a request to do so but most of the times i had to declare war on that nation and destroy the units and most of the time their whole nation right afterwards .

Rince

	22-09-2001 11:44									#22
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And in CtP2, you would tell them to piss of and they'd smile and say YES. But they didn't move! That is annoying...

	22-09-2001 18:24									#23
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ha ha ha, your trimere cant make it to america because i wont let you use britian / greenland water ways

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quote: Originally posted by Earthling7 Iceland, of course. Oh, and by the way, thanks to Iceland fighting the UK in 1974-1976, it is 200nm, not 14. The only time two NATO countries have been at war.

Iceland and the UK went to war

	22-09-2001 18:30									#25
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what really pisses me off is when you tell them to leave but they're between two cities yet just out of my reach so they're in my territory but i can't do anything so i declare war and crush them. well, at first it pisses me off, then it turns fun.

	22-09-2001 18:34									#26
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well now you have borders. but there can be holes in your borders

	22-09-2001 18:42									#27
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i think you should be able to complain about a massive military build-up by your borders.

	22-09-2001 19:07									#28
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like threatening? Like in TOT mplayer diplomacy. They had tons of options for that. Too bad it didnt work

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threaten me will you?

	23-09-2001 00:52									#30
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quote: Oh, and by the way, thanks to Iceland fighting the UK in 1974-1976, it is 200nm, not 14. The only time two NATO countries have been at war.

could you fill me in on this ... maybe a link? anyway, why is iceland still on the map?