24-09-2001 07:36									#1
	the more i find out about civ3... (attepmt 2) Remove this text

the more i am absolutely sure it is going to suck big time...gawd, these guys can't get anything right =(


Reasons:

the replay option. chances of them getting it right: 0%

no use of roads on invasion: are you kidding? how is this realistic again? I understand maybe not getting the full bonus, but a road is a road is a road is a road. Real life example: Afghanistan has 4 roads. Raise your hand if you think that IF the united states invaded, we wouldn't use those 4 raods. And what would slow us down? nada....

the graphics: gawd i hope they are better than the previews...will someone please go ahead and make a mod pack with the civ2 gfx in it?

multiplayer: oh wait, it isn't in this release.

diplomacy and culture points: sounds cool. you think it will work out okay? i don't....

troll troll troll troll troll


Kaak

PS- will someone please start a civ4 wishlist thread?
PPS- everyone listen to Spleen, i mean Bleyn and ignore me..i mean, after all, he has been here all of a month...

	24-09-2001 07:51									#2
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Everything will be fine. Just ask Dan!

That's right! If you are the Aztecs, you will have a special unit that can move twice as fast as another unit, so long as it ain't a horsie. So fast, in fact, that you don't need roads! Then you can throw a dozen jaguar duds or so at a lone warrior to capture a city, so long as the enemy doesn't build tanks in the preceding 1000 years it takes you to get there by not being able to use the roads

What are the odds that combat will be like the CivIII screen saver? You know, the screen saver where it doesn't matter what attacks the city, the defending warrior always wins!!!

	24-09-2001 07:51									#3
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	24-09-2001 08:33									#4
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Don't forget, first to build spaceship wins, not land AC.

They're screwing the game up, just like Activision did

	24-09-2001 08:52									#5
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Oh let it go. The game will rock.

	24-09-2001 09:12									#6
	Re: the more i find out about civ3... (attepmt 2) Suffering from ads?

quote: Originally posted by Kaak the more i am absolutely sure it is going to suck big time...gawd, these guys can't get anything right =( Reasons: the replay option. chances of them getting it right: 0%

How do you work out this one? From the comments I hear I would put it more at 80%. You don't need a massive in depth reply, but it is clear they are recording city histories at least (Age of wonders etc) so they are probably going to make it quite in depth, more than I need certainly.

If you want it to prevent cheats, just play with people who are grown up enough to not cheat.

	24-09-2001 11:41									#7
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Well, the more I hear about the game the more interesting the games becomes. At present time there's no doubt it is many times better than Civ2...If you don't like it, don't buy it

	24-09-2001 12:30									#8
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quote: the more i am absolutely sure it is going to suck big time...gawd, these guys can't get anything right =(

Your opinion, I reckon it might just be the best game of its genre ever, and possibly THE best game ever.... until Elite IV comes out of course Only my opinion though.

quote: the replay option. chances of them getting it right: 0%

Don't know how you figure this out. Anyway its CIV3, not FIFA2002 or Maddens. You are telling me that a big part of a turn based strategy game is a coloured map that shows the rise and fall of empires. A nice touch, but not worth arguing over.

quote: no use of roads on invasion: are you kidding? how is this realistic again? I understand maybe not getting the full bonus, but a road is a road is a road is a road. Real life example: Afghanistan has 4 roads. Raise your hand if you think that IF the united states invaded, we wouldn't use those 4 raods. And what would slow us down? nada....

Ask the Russians if they would advise sending tanks down the Afghan roads. They would laugh at you. The problem with roads are that they are easily defendable. There is little or no cover and the very nature of a road through a mountain pass allows countless ambush possibilities. The US, or anyone else in the world would not risk a land assault on Afghanistan if they knew what was good for them. I think that roads should not offer the same bonus to invading forces. Retreating forces would certainly set up road blocks, blow up bridges etc.

quote: multiplayer: oh wait, it isn't in this release.

Fine. Theres no muliplayer in Max Payne either.

quote: diplomacy and culture points: sounds cool. you think it will work out okay? i don't....

I think it will be great. Far more realisic. You now have to take account of your actions. No longer can you wage war without causing internal problems which manifest themselves externally as well. The game is about civilisation management, this is just something else for you to manage.

You are entitled to your opinions and I respect them. Doesn't mean I have to agree with them and just because you may be a regular poster on the boards doesn't give you the right to be heard more than anyone else. I think your arguments are shallow and bitter and I reckon you will buy the game, and love it. Else you wouldn't be here reading this board....

Dave

	24-09-2001 12:31									#9
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Why, aren't we all so optimistic about this game I was expecting that this whole 'right of passage' thing was that it would be a violation to enter another players territory without having this signed; if you marched in with tanks, you would still get the bonuses of roads/railroads.

My concern is just one over the number of players in a game; I really would have liked to be able to use all of the 16 players at once in the same game but this seems to be looking increasingly unlikely

	24-09-2001 12:43									#10
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look-everyone has a different idea for what they would like Civ3 to be like. It wont be perfect for everyone, but there is a lot of cool ideas that worked in testing. now if u think that it will suck, just dont buy it ...

	24-09-2001 12:46									#11
	Re: the more i find out about civ3... (attepmt 2) Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

quote: Originally posted by Kaak the more i am absolutely sure it is going to suck big time...gawd, these guys can't get anything right =(

Oh do shut up......

Asmodean

	24-09-2001 14:27									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Asmodean Oh do shut up...... Asmodean

agreed

	24-09-2001 14:40									#13
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Kaak,
if the game is going to be the greatest catastrophe since the mixture of strawberries and olive oil, why do you still hang out here in Apolyton? Come on - this is a forum about the worst-looking, worst-sounding, simply worst etc. strategy game in all human history! And even worse - people (even the amoebas who made this catastrophe real) discuss here about it! So, according to my diagnosis, Apolyton is not the place for you.

	24-09-2001 15:37									#14
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quote: the graphics: gawd i hope they are better than the previews...will someone please go ahead and make a mod pack with the civ2 gfx in it?

What's wrong with the graphics? I like them. Surely they're different from civ2's, but they're not worse..

	24-09-2001 15:53									#15
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Asmodean - you said it!

Having spent the last five years lurking - this is the first time I felt impelled to express my views.

I am totally fed up with those people who are extremely quick to judge - and then spend too much of their time trying to force their opinions on the rest of us. There is nothing wrong with criticism, but please don't discard all optimism.

I base my own assumptions on past experiences:

1. Sid Meyer is one of the most successful games designers of the past decade.
2. CIV I was an absolutely fabulous game
3. CIV II is an absolutely fabulous game

Individual aspects of CIV II, taken in isolation, may not be viewed as the best implementation of game design. Nor can each aspect of CIVII be designed to meet everyone's personal requirements - However when all the bits are brought together you have a concept that can be describe as one of the greatest gaming experiences in the last 10 years.

It is very easy to criticised, especially when you don't have all the facts to hand - however a more mature approach would be to accept that not everything within CIV III will be exactly how you would wish it, temper this with the knowledge that Sid and his team know what they are doing (certainly more than certain posters in this forum) ......

...... and content yourself with a quiet confidence that the overall game, when it arrives will be just what you were waiting for.

	24-09-2001 15:55									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison My concern is just one over the number of players in a game; I really would have liked to be able to use all of the 16 players at once in the same game but this seems to be looking increasingly unlikely

Didn't Dan state that we would be able to with a slight change in the rules.txt file and with the side-effect of screwing up the advisor screens?

	24-09-2001 16:38									#17
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Yeah KH, but it would be nice to have seen such a number of opponents being integrated seemlessly into the game, eg, make the advisor screen more flexible so that it would use the points of a polygon depending on how many civs are in the game, so it could cope with 4, or 8 or 16 civs in total...I think that would be far better to do it. But it looks like such a number of civs isn't 'natural' for the game to handle, which is a shame...

	24-09-2001 16:44									#18
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I agree with you there. It does seem strange that they can't even design simplified advisor screens for the higher # of civs.

	24-09-2001 17:13									#19
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Well, if the game engine itself supports 2-16 civs, reprogramming the advisor screen should not be that hard for those freaks bent on modifying existing games...

	24-09-2001 17:26									#20
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The game looks great so stop complaining.

The only thing I think will happen is that they mess up the civilizations so that some become far to powerful, but then you can just play without special civ-abilities.

But i´m missing to option to play without the unique units and golden age but not without the special civ abilites such as scientific and industrious and all that stuff, and vice versa for those who wants.

	24-09-2001 20:38									#21
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I'm all for anything that makes invasions harder. So I think not being able to use roads is awesome.

	24-09-2001 20:50									#22
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the only thing i have misgivings about is this culture points thing.

And the possibilty of there being to much micro managment.

	24-09-2001 21:41									#23
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Kaak:

You're an *******! You haven't even played the ****ing game yet! The *****ing in this forum has gotten so out of hand lately.

* for those who find the above language offensive: be sure and visit George Carlin's site

	25-09-2001 02:30									#24
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quote: Kaak, if the game is going to be the greatest catastrophe since the mixture of strawberries and olive oil, why do you still hang out here in Apolyton? Come on - this is a forum about the worst-looking, worst-sounding, simply worst etc. strategy game in all human history! And even worse - people (even the amoebas who made this catastrophe real) discuss here about it! So, according to my diagnosis, Apolyton is not the place for you.

--I've been on this site since before civ3 was introduced. I don't just post in this forum. Apolyton isn't just for civ3. I realize everything i've just stated is quite obvious, but apparently you missed it.

	25-09-2001 02:46									#25
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quote: The game looks great...

no it doesn't

quote: ...so stop complaining

no


No MP? No Civ3



kaak: you know this forum is mainly populated by the all-wise and -knowing "Civ3 is great, **** MP" crowd, so why bother?

	25-09-2001 02:54									#26
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besides, for those of you who care:

I have a right to complain, I've spent a great deal of time on a complete civ3 community website with MarkusF that is absolutely beautiful =( (including a fair amount of time with the ladder)

So, when the game comes out, be sure to check http://civ3online.com

	25-09-2001 03:04									#27
	Re: the more i find out about civ3... (attepmt 2) Got spare money?

quote: Originally posted by Kaak the more i am absolutely sure it is going to suck big time...gawd, these guys can't get anything right =(

Oh, and . Congratulations, keep showing up.

	25-09-2001 03:14									#28
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The more the I look at Civ3, the more I CAN'T WAIT!

Wonderful graphics, with unique leader animations. Unique civs, with personality (not the same variations of one civ). Resources and Culture, TOTALLY changing the way the game is played.

Bring on Civ3! I can't wait!

	25-09-2001 03:23									#29
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Nobody here can judge the game, except maybe dan. What are you basing your judgements on? Some random text or low quality screen shots? Here's my recommendation:

1. Log off
   
2. Stand up
   
3. Walk away
   
4. Come back if and when you have played civ3 enough to actually know what you're talking about.
   

	25-09-2001 03:28									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Sabre2th Nobody here can judge the game, except maybe dan. What are you basing your judgements on? Some random text or low quality screen shots? Here's my recommendation: Log off Stand up Walk away Come back if and when you have played civ3 enough to actually know what you're talking about.

have you loggd off yet?