27-09-2001 04:48									#1
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There's been a thread going about what the name of the Chinese UU should be, and Dimirier Maximus suggested that I put up a poll... alright, here it is.

Since there's only one month left before Civ3 is released and there's probably no time to change the graphics and stats, i'll give only cavalry options so that the graphics and stats can stay the same. I'd have preferred the Chu Ko Nu from Age of Kings actually.

	27-09-2001 12:52									#2
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I like Tieqi. A native Chinese word will give the unit a more distinctly Chinese flavor.

	28-09-2001 00:36									#3
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Good poll. I voted Tieqi, but "Tieqi Rider" would be better.

How come Firaxis never commented on this? Surely it would be easy enough to change the name, since nobody seems to like "Rider" anyway.

	28-09-2001 00:55									#4
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Is there anyone from Firaxis who's seeing this? So far there hasn't been a single vote for Rider. There're more votes for 'Other' than Rider.

Oh yes, if you want to vote for 'Other', can you please post something to say what you'd prefer?

I just did some quick checking and noticed that the historical Tieqi/Iron Cavalry had armor on the horses as well... Firaxis should add that in, it's just a graphics change.

	28-09-2001 12:58									#5
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the rider sounds all right. itl do, i guess

	29-09-2001 13:32									#6
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Get along little Tieqi!

	30-09-2001 05:36									#7
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Iron Cavalry sounds better than rider at least.

	30-09-2001 23:24									#8
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The weakness of the name "Rider" is probably the subject that most people agree on. I can't believe Firaxis is ignoring this.

	30-09-2001 23:28									#9
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I hope they change it to Tieqi or at least something better than rider.

	30-09-2001 23:33									#10
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Tieqi, it seems funnier.

	01-10-2001 08:28									#11
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The results are pretty conclusive. i probably should send an email to firaxis. who should i send this to?

	01-10-2001 09:39									#12
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Send it to one of the Administrators of Apolyton and ask them to please pass it on to Firaxis.

	01-10-2001 10:36									#13
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Yea, a unique unit called " the rider", sounds very unique, doesn't it?

	01-10-2001 17:09									#14
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I voted Tieqi as well. The Chinese UU deserves a Chinese name for it, and Tieqi is the best one ive heard

Rider

	02-10-2001 05:13									#15
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dimorier:
isn't it more direct to email to someone from firaxis?

	02-10-2001 05:19									#16
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Maybe, but DO NOT send it to the askthecivteam@firaxis.com address or any other general one like that. They'll probably never see it if you send it there. Try sending it to someone's personal address at Firaxis if you can find it. MAYBE something like danmagaha@firaxis.com or something. I would recommend contacting Dan Q or one of the Admins of this site for the best way of contacting Firaxis.

	02-10-2001 14:18									#17
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I like Tieqi, but I wonder about the precident of calling something by its non-english name. Should a knight built by the German civ be called a 'Ritter'?

Then again, there is already 'Panzer'....

	02-10-2001 16:52									#18
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I don't care, at least iron cavalry is better. Or somehitng like imperial guards. The Rider is the worst one i have heard of up to now.

	03-10-2001 00:04									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Rogan Josh I like Tieqi, but I wonder about the precident of calling something by its non-english name. Should a knight built by the German civ be called a 'Ritter'? Then again, there is already 'Panzer'....

I don't see anything wrong with it. It makes sense that Germans have Panzers, Greeks have Hoplites and Chinese have Tieqi. The native word for the special unit, but not for the regular unit, because that's shared by the rest of the civilizations, and should thus be in Esperanto (so it's not a knight but a kavaliro).

That gives me an idea for an Esperanto patch.

BTW, Tieqi (Tiêqì) is pronounced (more or less) like TYUH-CHEE.

	03-10-2001 01:10									#20
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TYEH-CHEE.

If you really want to sound authentically Chinese:

Tie (tyeh) with a low dipping tone. Start low, and dip lower. Qi (chee) with a rising tone. Start at the mid-latitudes and go up to the highs.

In musical notation:

dc-----efg----
tyeh--chee--

	03-10-2001 02:47									#21
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Whoops!

What he said

	03-10-2001 05:13									#22
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quote: Originally posted by PGM Good poll. I voted Tieqi, but "Tieqi Rider" would be better. How come Firaxis never commented on this? Surely it would be easy enough to change the name, since nobody seems to like "Rider" anyway.

Tieqi refers to the kind of army, not just the horse or the man riding the horse. For example, Navy SEAL refers to a special force unit in the US military, it however does not mean people who catchs or kill seals. Tieqi rider would not make sense.

	03-10-2001 05:45									#23
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Well put, Dida.

	03-10-2001 05:49									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Dida Tieqi rider would not make sense.

Probably not, I don't know, I can't talk chinese, but right now I'm more interested in CHANGING "Rider" than anything else. So I thought this could be an easy and graceful way for Firaxis not having to "change" the name, but just tweak it.

	03-10-2001 08:21									#25
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i dont care if its teiqi rider or just teiqi as long as it's not just "the rider"

	03-10-2001 08:23									#26
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Tieqi rider is a much worse name than just simply Rider. Because Tieqi Rider is so ridiculously stupid.

	04-10-2001 09:07									#27
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ranskaldan,

Have you contacted Firaxis about this? It is amazing the support that Tieqi has gotten. Firaxis would be a bit foolish not to change it from Rider to Tieqi.

	05-10-2001 03:55									#28
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I've emailed both Dan and Mark...

on civfanatics they say that civ3 is going gold in a couple of days... aargh! i hope that there's time for the name change... if not we'll have to mod it ourselves.

I'll email Firaxis directly.

	05-10-2001 04:26									#29
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Something else, anything else, as long as it is Chinese.

	05-10-2001 06:00									#30
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So far. i've emailed Dan Magada, DanQ and MarkG...

Also, can someone help me out and send one of them, or someone else from Apolyton or Firaxis, an email about this? We don't have much time left.