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With legionaries as offensive units with a strong defense the Romans have to be played offensively |
I agree with you. If you can get several legionarries on the battelfield you are a fearsome opponnent because it will be quite difficult to destroy the Legionarries (they have defense 3, strongest offensive ancient unit has attack 3)
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Roland Ehnström
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Citizen of the World
May 1999
time: 06:15
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"With that defense, the Legions will probably be viable until Gunpowder."
Well, Pikemen will probably be as good or better than Legions (Pikemen are 3.3.1, 3.4.1 or 4.3.1... Anyone know for sure?), and then there are also Knights with 4.3.2 (not to mention the Chinese Rider - 4.4.3 (!) ). And during the golden-age of the Roman Empire, all the other civs will have Swordsmen with 3.2.1, which isn't too far off the Legion. So I think the Legion is nicely balanced.
Remember also that the Greek Hoplite also has a defence rating of 3, and it comes way earlier than the Legion, and the Persian Immortal is 4.2.1 and comes at the same time as the Legion.
Looking at this, an interesting note is that during the early ancient times there seems to be a good balance between attack and defence, while in the late ancient times, units are surely biased towards attack:
Early Ancient:
Archer: 2.1.1
(Babylonian Bowman: 2.1.2)
Spearman: 1.2.1
(Greek Hoplite: 1.3.1)
Late Ancient:
Swordsman: 3.2.1
(Persian Immortal: 4.2.1)
(Roman Legion: 3.3.1)
So to me it seems that the late ancient times will be bloodier than the early ancient times. Looking at this, it also seems that the Persian Immortal will be VERY strong during the late ancient times, with only Romans and Greeks able to defend themselves ok against the Immortal, until Pikemen are discovered some 1000 years later.
Peace! 
-- Roland
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Christantine The Great
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Massachusetts
Jun 2000
time: 00:15
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Not really; they would need movement 3. |
No, a unit can retreat if it has two movement points and uses one to attack. To assure a safe retreat then you would need 3.
Why do people forget the Pikemen's unique defense bonus that makes it better than a hoplite? It is X2 against units with multiple movement points!
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Kurgan
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Belgium
May 2001
time: 05:15
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It is unbalanced the stats of these three units:
Legion 3/3/1
Immortals 4/2/1
War elephant 4/3/2
The War elephant is an ancient unit (Alexander vs. Poros), and the most effective in defense and attack unit of the ancient age was the legion. The immortals could not beat the Greek hoplites ever it was the opposite (the 10.000 of the anabasis), but they are given 4 in attack, elephants did not beat the roman legions in Zama, and that was before the reforms of Marius, which made the legions even deadlier. In the ancient world, when the legions were reasonably led, they were never beaten. The stats should be changed, because the elephants never were as succesful as the legions, but in the game they are deadlier, and nobody is going to convince me that they are not an ancient unit.
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