29-09-2001 05:37									#1
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Now that we know we can create our own governments, what ones will you make and how will they be different from the existing governments?

	29-09-2001 06:10									#2
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bring back Fundamentalism

	29-09-2001 06:27									#3
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quote: Originally posted by JellyDonut Now that we know we can create our own governments, what ones will you make and how will they be different from the existing governments?

Fundamentalism, Fascism, and maybe a few isms more. But only after I play the game with the original govs for dozens and dozens of times.

	29-09-2001 06:39									#4
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Yuppism - your civilization becomes a nation of yuppies - all military units are disbanded, and all production converted into luxury goods..... the trade off is a massive culture production bonus !

	29-09-2001 06:44									#5
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definately facism, socialism (different from communism thank you), fundamentalism(theocracy), and Feudalism.

i always wondered why feudalism was never a government, and i assume "Monarchy" was meant to cover it, but the two entities are seperate

	29-09-2001 06:45									#6
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Fascism, Saddamism, and Egaltarian.

Fascism-Industry Science
Saddamism-Military, industry
Egaltarian- Happy, industrius ('workers paradise')

	29-09-2001 07:20									#7
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Liberalism.

Make a great, successful civ and then switch to this government.

- Raise the tax rate as high as possible, max out luxuries and take all "extra" workers out of the city view and make them entertainers.
- Disband all military, and then give the rest of the Civ's a case of "K-Y" in the form of regular tribute thus bankrupting the nation.
- Eliminate all culture producing buildings so as not to "unfairly" influence the rest of the world and make them upset.
- Sell off all science production buildings because an uneducated populace is a populace that is easy to control through the mass media.

Sounds about right.

	29-09-2001 07:25									#8
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If that isnt the stupidest thing I have ever heard Ozz

	29-09-2001 08:06									#9
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Well.... Seems to be the direction the US is going, at least based on all the "aid" programs the US gov't has handed out the last few years. (let's remove social security tax from payroll so the people who get oney every year can also get that free).

Yeesh.

In any event, it was (mainly) a joke.

	29-09-2001 09:33									#10
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ok, im home from work now, so i can actually organize thoughts about Feudalism/Facism as governments.

Feudalism:

1. govenors are required. you can not override them, just influence them. shows the feudal "loosely centered" government.
   
2. Science rates deterioriate (i'm wanting to say halved but it seems too much) to show the dark age that coinsided with feudalism.
   
3. Tax rates are decent, but not all that great. the heirarchy of classes (Knights->Vassals->King) causes loss of money.
   
4. War Production lowered, or Unit Support lowered, to show the rise to arms that many feudal states had when they were required.
   
5. People are generally content-unhappy, almost never happy.
   

	29-09-2001 10:09									#11
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I'm planning on adding Theocracies, Feudalism, Nanosocialism, Cyberdemocracies, Incorporate, and for the fantasy scenarios I've got bouncing in my head...Necrocracies and Thaumacracy.(Rule by the Dead and Rule by the Magically gifted, respectfully.)

Fascism is a good one, as are Oligarchys(Rule by those with money), and Technocracies.(Rule by the scientific elite.)

Future scenarios are going to be fun with 16 Civs to play with.

	29-09-2001 10:38									#12
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quote: Originally posted by ProfessorPhobos Necrocracies ... Rule by the Dead

LOL Thatd be a strange one...

Servant: "Oh Great Leader, where shalt we place our new city site??"

Dead Leader: ...

Servant: "Damn, he never answers my questions!"

	29-09-2001 11:23									#13
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Confederacy would be another form of government.

	29-09-2001 12:28									#14
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quote: Originally posted by UberKruX I always wondered why feudalism was never a government, and i assume "Monarchy" was meant to cover it, but the two entities are seperate

Feudalism is a economic system (like Capitalizam)
It is government only in game MOO2.

Now there are a Feudal-Monarchies, what is totaly different.

	29-09-2001 12:33									#15
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In short in Feudalism, slaves are replaced by serf, wich coud not leave,
Lord's lands, and worked in them. They kept part of profits, and Lord &
Church & King taked rest.

So, serfs were not a rely free people.

In fact, when Lord was sellin a land, he sold a land with serfs on it.

	29-09-2001 12:43									#16
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Even many Absolute Monarchies were a Feudal, like Russia, France before revolurion etc.

	29-09-2001 12:46									#17
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Now you are probably refering to Medivial Feudal Monarhies,

but thats not a Feudalism.

	29-09-2001 14:33									#18
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Hmm, these are the new governments I'll try to create:-

Serfdom
Theocracy
Fundamentalism
Marxism (true communism)
Socialism
Military State
Facism

And maybe some futuristic ones:-

Electronic Democracy (or "e-dem" )
Cybernetic
Virtual Slavery (or "CyberSerfdom" )

	29-09-2001 18:45									#19
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quote: Originally posted by red_jon Marxism (true communism) Socialism

Socialism is essentially Marxism, at least in Marx's mind, where he used socialism and communism interchangeably. The myth that socialism is different from communism was started by that Lenin fellow. Check out http://www.worldsocialism.org/dictwrng.htm

Neither should be governments, because socialism (=Marxism) does not work in one country alone! Those who disagree tend to set up oppressive governments. The USSR (Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics) was probably one of the worst failures of this type. They set up death camps, secret police, and if you think it was a government ruled by the workers, you're crazy, not to say anything of Mao and Friends' efforts, or Ho Chi Minh, or Fidel Castro, or Colonel Qaddafi, or Pol Pot, or...

	29-09-2001 19:50									#20
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Anarchy

Despotism, ancient
Dictarorship, modern

Monarchy, ancient
Fuedalism, medieval

Polis, ancient
Confederation, modern

Republic, ancient
Democracy, modern

Theocracy, church-state
Fundamentalism, modern

Communism, soviet style
Socialism, mix democracy+communism

2 of each.

	29-09-2001 19:50									#21
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I'm going to make a Atomic Age to Nanotech Age modpack, so my ideas for governments:

-E-Democracy (Genetic Age Version of Democracy, more democratic form of Democracy)
-Fundamentalism (Slashed down version, of course, good at culture)
-Corperate Republic (Best at economy, but bad at culture)
-Technocracy (Best at science, bad at culture, unhappy people)
-Ecotopia (Nanotech Age, Economic version of Fundamentalism)
-Virtual Democracy (Nanotech Age version of E-Democracy - True Democracy)

Maybe some others if anyone has any ideas.

	29-09-2001 19:57									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Bill3000 -Fundamentalism (Slashed down version, of course, good at culture) -Corperate Republic (Best at economy, but bad at culture) -Technocracy (Best at science, bad at culture, unhappy people)

Dan said that governments can't directly effect culture, but you can lower the cost of certain buildings (which can generate culture), so you could theoretically affect it indirectly. Keep that in mind.

	29-09-2001 20:16									#23
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quote: Ecotopia (Nanotech Age, Economic version of Fundamentalism)

Ecotopia = enviromentalism

	29-09-2001 20:46									#24
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quote: Originally posted by JellyDonut Dan said that governments can't directly effect culture, but you can lower the cost of certain buildings (which can generate culture), so you could theoretically affect it indirectly. Keep that in mind.

That's good enough for me.

quote: Ecotopia = enviromentalism

Hmm... Yeah, sounds like a better name. But it should still be Nanotech.

	29-09-2001 21:41									#25
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quote: Originally posted by red_jon Virtual Slavery (or "CyberSerfdom" )

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	30-09-2001 00:31									#26
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Serious additions:
- Fascism (sort of modernized despotism, more effective though)
- Socialism (some good and bad effects of communism and democracy)
- Theocracy (low, low cost for religious buildings)
- Confederacy (like the Iroquois, CSA, etc.; effects to be determined)

Fun additions (for modpacks and such):
- Militarism (supreme war government)
- Technocracy (supreme science government)
- Freedomocracy (supreme form of rep. and dem. gov'ts)
- Industrialism (supremely productive form of gov't)
- Texocracy (best government of all)

and possibly more to come...

	30-09-2001 02:33									#27
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Oooh the possibilities. You could do left/centre/right govs. Utopias with increadibly happy pacifists. Theocracy. Fundamentalism/Facism. Virtual Democracy. Meritocracy. Federalism. Capitalist. Just depends on the variables that could be changed. Looking forward to Nov 30th now!

	30-09-2001 02:58									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Haphazard Utopias with increadibly happy pacifists.

NOT to be played in MP

quote: Looking forward to Nov 30th now!

You mean Oct 30?

	30-09-2001 02:59									#29
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is anarchy a valid form of government now? or is it just the trasitional?

	30-09-2001 19:13									#30
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quote: Originally posted by JellyDonut You mean Oct 30?

That's the US release date I think. Unless we're really lucky it won't arrive this side of the Atlantic till then.