04-10-2001 02:49									#1
	Cleopatra the Egyptian? Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

Perhaps my history is a little shakey in this area, but I have generally been under the impression that Cleopatra was perhaps not an Eqyptian. Wasn't she decended from/related to Ptolomy I, a Macedonian?

	04-10-2001 03:00									#2
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Yes i believe so, i think queen hatshpesut would be a better choice

	04-10-2001 04:29									#3
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Yes, greek

	04-10-2001 13:47									#4
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Here we go again

Cleopatra was Macedonian
So was Alexander
Catherine the Great and Queen Victoria were German
Napoleon was Corsican
Bismarck was born in Eastern Prussia
Great Polish King Stefan Bathory was Transylvanian
the Han Dynasty in China was Mongolian

So what?

(BTW, After many generations Cleopatre was as much Macedonian as Lincoln was British)

	04-10-2001 20:18									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Martinus Here we go again the Han Dynasty in China was Mongolian

What the **** are you talking about?

	04-10-2001 21:26									#6
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I don't even understand what is so special about Cleopatra? She had a small impact on the Egyptian culture, she certainly wasn't a great ruler, she fled from combat at the battle of Antium, and killed herself in the end. Wow, great leader.

Bring on Ramses II, The Great! Or at least Cheops or something. Cleopatra is a joke, almost as bad as Joan d'Arc. I'm going to edit them both out asap when I get the game.

	04-10-2001 21:34									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Transcend What the **** are you talking about?

Ooops. My mistake. I meant Yuan Dynasty. Sorry

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quote: Originally posted by Mark L I don't even understand what is so special about Cleopatra? She had a small impact on the Egyptian culture, she certainly wasn't a great ruler, she fled from combat at the battle of Antium, and killed herself in the end. Wow, great leader. Bring on Ramses II, The Great! Or at least Cheops or something. Cleopatra is a joke, almost as bad as Joan d'Arc. I'm going to edit them both out asap when I get the game.

I definitely agree. Cleo is the steriotypical ruler, just as if they had made Tut the ruler.

	04-10-2001 23:06									#9
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Cleopatra is

a)supposed to be sexy (actually she was a short *****, with a large Greek nose and a huuuge arse... but that's just historical truth )

b)incarnated by Liz Tailor in the film

c)a woman

d)Definitely the most well known leader of Egypt

e)starring in a couple of Asterix the Gaul issues...

	05-10-2001 00:43									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Ubik e)starring in a couple of Asterix the Gaul issues...

	05-10-2001 03:16									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Mark L I don't even understand what is so special about Cleopatra? She had a small impact on the Egyptian culture, she certainly wasn't a great ruler, she fled from combat at the battle of Antium, and killed herself in the end. Wow, great leader. Bring on Ramses II, The Great! Or at least Cheops or something. Cleopatra is a joke, almost as bad as Joan d'Arc. I'm going to edit them both out asap when I get the game.

I'm sure they choice Joan and Cleopatra just to keep the women's lib people happy. Therefor the fact that Joan wasn't ever a head of state and that Cleopatra was a crappy head of state doesn't matter to them.

	05-10-2001 06:52									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Ironwood Perhaps my history is a little shakey in this area, but I have generally been under the impression that Cleopatra was perhaps not an Eqyptian. Wasn't she decended from/related to Ptolomy I, a Macedonian?

Cleopatra was a Mastodon??

	05-10-2001 06:58									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Mars Yes i believe so, i think queen hatshpesut would be a better choice

Nefertiti

	05-10-2001 07:00									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Mark L I don't even understand what is so special about Cleopatra? She had a small impact on the Egyptian culture, she certainly wasn't a great ruler, she fled from combat at the battle of Antium, and killed herself in the end. Wow, great leader. Bring on Ramses II, The Great! Or at least Cheops or something. Cleopatra is a joke, almost as bad as Joan d'Arc. I'm going to edit them both out asap when I get the game.

I'd do the same, but the avatars are probably too good to pass up. Maybe I'll change the name and pretend she is one of their servants. The whole Montezuma in a suit thing bugs me too

One thing you have to follow though is the "rewrite" versus "replay" history angle. If you were in control of Cleopatra, maybe she wouldn't have been such a pathetic ruler.

	05-10-2001 07:06									#15
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quote: Originally posted by squid If you were in control of Cleopatra, maybe she wouldn't have been such a pathetic ruler.

Actually, in my hands, she would be just as pathetic.

	05-10-2001 10:50									#16
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Historically we can know that Cleopatra had a big butt? Have you seen pictures? Further, not all Greeks have large noses. Jennifer Lopez has a large butt and men love her for it. Having said that, I will agree that there are better choices for the Egyptian leader than Cleo (big butt or no). I will also agree that I don't quite understand the seemingly necessary inclusion of female leaders in this game. PC? If so then I don't get it. How many women play Civ games? Does Firaxis have reason to believe that a sizable portion of Civ 3 purchasers will be female?

Gee, is Jesse Jackson going to post in here soon and refer to New York by the derogatory term he called it a few years ago? Or maybe feminists will invade the forum, complaining about the reference to Cleopatra's rear end.

	05-10-2001 16:15									#17
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Jennifer Lopez has butt implants, btw.

	05-10-2001 17:28									#18
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Here where I live, women don't need implants to produce a big butt... it's all natural

Remember the song "I love big butts"???