06-10-2001 16:26									#1
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please,is it really so hard to use the real quote instead of some translation???

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	06-10-2001 16:35									#2
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Are you somehow implying that the original language was that of which person?

	06-10-2001 16:41									#3
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I mean,if you use famous quotes you DON'T TRANSLATE them.

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	06-10-2001 17:12									#4
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OK, I'm sure what this means and in what language is it, but I'm not quite sure it is very relevant to Civ 3 and has to be here.

	06-10-2001 18:18									#5
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huuu???????

I don't speak latin or italian or whatever that language is, when using such quotes please use both the english translation and the original then

	06-10-2001 18:30									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Solver OK, I'm sure what this means and in what language is it, but I'm not quite sure it is very relevant to Civ 3 and has to be here.

It's todays trivia question...

	06-10-2001 18:32									#7
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quote: Originally posted by shade I mean,if you use famous quotes you DON'T TRANSLATE them.

Well ok... it's only 10 points...

	06-10-2001 19:35									#8
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I wouldn't say this is common knowledge. Maybe some of you know Latin or have studied history that thoroughly, but not all people have.

	06-10-2001 19:39									#9
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until someone explains me how this is civ3 related, the thread is moved to the OT...

	06-10-2001 19:52									#10
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No it isn't I just came ito it from civ3 forum??
Mybe you've lost your mystical powers too

	06-10-2001 19:54									#11
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Markos, if I start speaking a mix of Latvian and Greek, what would you say. Let's rename the staff room to domatios tabalidon, for instance .

	06-10-2001 20:19									#12
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG until someone explains me how this is civ3 related, the thread is moved to the OT...

'Alea iacta est' is Latin for 'The die is cast' which has to do with today's Trivia Question. That is Civ3-related.

	06-10-2001 20:26									#13
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So, Markos, you uneducated person, put it back .

	06-10-2001 20:45									#14
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ok,for those who don't know what or where:It's latin and can be translated to 'the die is cast'.
Since I thought this was one of those quotes every-one knew,so the translating is rediculous.(but I seem to be wrong)

MarkG:why I've put it up here?Because this is the place where all rant about their frustrations about civ3 and the official site.
(I don't think there are any in the OT forum)

quote: Well ok... it's only 10 points...

I don't care about that,I just find it frustrating that they don't use the Latin(maybe with translation next to it),like I said,I thought it was basic knowledge(for anyone who has ever had some history or latin),but seems not to be so.

Shade

	06-10-2001 20:57									#15
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who cares about latin

	06-10-2001 21:02									#16
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quote: Originally posted by shade I don't care about that,I just find it frustrating that they don't use the Latin

hmmm cause then the answer would be too obvious?
unless Hannibal was talking latin....

	06-10-2001 21:13									#17
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quote: Originally posted by shade I thought it was basic knowledge(for anyone who has ever had some history or latin),but seems not to be so.

Latin is not exactly a language many people knows I think, I guess only 10% of them I know, knows what that means. And about history classes, it has now beenmany years since my last history lesson, and the only thing I remember is we're only learned about the time as Germany invaded our country (I think that was about 70% of our history lessons we used on that, the other 30% were about other events in danish history...Thank God I don't have any of those lessons anymore

In any classes we have had has only been about things releated directly to Denmark...and for that latin has never been in (and no, we have never talked about the origin of different languages)

I don't know if this also is the case in other parts of the country, but from all others I have talked about this they said it was kinda the same for them

	06-10-2001 21:14									#18
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG who cares about latin

Not me

	06-10-2001 21:21									#19
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im in first year latin and i dont know what it means...

	06-10-2001 21:23									#20
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Argh...

Okay, lets clear this up entirely:

As has been said, 'Alea iacta est' is Latin for 'The die is cast'

The history behind it:

In 50 BC the Roman Republic was on the verge of civil war, between the 'popular' faction led by Julius Caesar and the 'Senatorial' faction, led by Gnaeus Pompey, also known as Pompey the Great.

Caesar had been in Gaul (France) for just under 10 years leading up to 50 BC, and because of some previous complexity regarding his consulship in Rome in 59 BC, his return to Rome would mean that he would be arrested (mostly because his rivals, the 'Senatorials', wanted to get him out of the picture), which obviously he wanted to avoid. He wanted to avoid by being elected consul of Rome again for 50 BC (if he was in office he would have been immune from being arrested), but the Senate wouldn't allow him to stand for the consulship from France, so his return to Rome would leave him open to arrest. His only other option was to go in with an army.

So, in 50 BC his one-time colleague Pompey the Great was mobilising legions for Caesar's impending return to Rome. Caesar, however, decided to have speed as his advantage by immediately going down into Italy with only one legion. It is said that Italy started from the Rubicon river, and so Caesar stood with his legion at this river for quite a while, considering whether or not he wanted to plunge Rome and all its territory into a brutal civil war (which lasted 5 years, until 45BC) - by crossing the river with a legion, he would have effectively declared civil war. So, Caesar was standing at the Rubicon considering whether or not he wanted to engage in a civil war, and when he decided that he had no choice, he crossed the river with the words 'Alea iacta est', The die is cast, so as to say that there was no turning back (and perhaps also that he felt victory was inevitable, depending on your interpretation).

So that is the story of 'Alea iacta est'

S.

	06-10-2001 21:59									#21
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But people! This is probably the most famous Latin quote! Every Civer should know it!

	06-10-2001 22:10									#22
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I got today's CivTriv right, although I could have done it without the thread (who doesn't know Caesar crossed the Rubicon?). My score has been boosted to *fanfare* 70 points! (I don't play often) I think the reason they didn't put it in Latin or even Latin with the English translation next to it was because people would have easily ruled out Montgomery (if they knew Charlemagne, Hannibal and Caesar spoke Latin, which everybody does )

EDIT:
Martinus: The most famous Latin quote is obviously "In Omnia Paratus", which is broken-up Latin for "Insomnia Apparatus."

	06-10-2001 22:22									#23
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quote: Originally posted by JellyDonut EDIT: Martinus: The most famous Latin quote is obviously "In Omnia Paratus", which is broken-up Latin for "Insomnia Apparatus."

aha...Could someone translate that for us non latin speakers

	06-10-2001 22:26									#24
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i donno...i always thought the most appropiate latin quote for civ was "Veni Vidi Vici"

	06-10-2001 22:28									#25
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and i always thought that the most famous was:

"Carpe Diem"

	06-10-2001 22:30									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Nemo i donno...i always thought the most appropiate latin quote for civ was "Veni Vidi Vici"

Hey finaly a quote I know

EDIT: Reminds me on the good old The Settlers II days

	06-10-2001 22:37									#27
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Seriously though, I thought the most famous Latin quote was "E pluribus unum" or "Et tu, Brute?" But I guess I'm wrong.

	06-10-2001 22:48									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Nemo i donno...i always thought the most appropiate latin quote for civ was "Veni Vidi Vici"

Definitely is the most famous too. This is one I know.

	06-10-2001 22:54									#29
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I'd never heard this quote in Latin... but I've heard all the other ones mentioned later in the thread.

	06-10-2001 23:31									#30
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quote: Originally posted by JellyDonut Seriously though, I thought the most famous Latin quote was "E pluribus unum" or "Et tu, Brute?" But I guess I'm wrong.

I've never even heard of the first one (though likely I will kick myself when hearing the translation...), and the second one was made up by Shakespeare. Naw, the most famous latin quotes would have to be Descartes' "Cogito ergo sum" and Caesar's "Veni, Vidi, Vici". And, as any reader of the Asterix series of comics will tell you, Alea iacta est, which can be used in a million humorous situations mocking the romans.